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What's the cheapest s&w revolvers out there that aren't questionable quality. I see the 642 is $300 or so new. What about used. Any worthwhile ones around $200? They J&G guns look good for the price they are asking. Everyone needs a Model 10. I would stay away from K frame 357s unless you can check it beforehand as they are more likely to be loosened up after a few thousand rounds. A modern 38 spl S&W K frame can easily handle a lot more rounds of +P and even +P+. You can find better deals on private sales, sometimes for less than $200, but those are few and far between just about anywhere.

I have been satisfied using Breakfree for about 20 years. If you clean and lube a gun and put it away the vehicle carrying the PTFE (teflon) may evaporate but the PTFE stays on. I bought a gallon of Breakfree 7-8 years ago and I still have some left. I've taken guns out after a year or so and they still functioned flawlessly. The only thing I grease is M1s (or M1 style actions like the M1A, Mini 14, etc). I use Mobil One grease for that and have had no issues.

I think the ATF has a list of eligible C&R firearms. I would look into that first. There is a specific list of C&R firearms on ATFE's website. If it isn't there then a 01 FFL is needed.

Get him a gift certificate to his favorite gun/accessory store. Let him buy what he wants. Really. Best answer.

Hmmm... I guess the potato guns we used to make are also illegal here. IIRC there were some people arrested for building and shooting potato guns back in the 80s. I don't know how far the prosecution went but something to keep in mind.

in the eyes of the law I believe there is a pretty substantial difference.. what that difference is I am unsure of.. from Title 13: "Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm, which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. It would seem that the only reason airsoft guns are not firearms in NJ is they lack "sufficient force to injure a person".

Federal law for firearm transfers dictate that the dealer/FFL follows the purchaser's resident state laws, In most of the US a BB or pellet pistol is not a fireram. NJ considers it a firearm. NJ law stops at NJ's borders. Cabela's will sell you a BB or pellet pistol or a blackpowder pistol because they are not firearms under federal or state law in PA. Cabela's FFL has nothing to do withselling you a BB gun or blackpowder gun. They may as well be selling you beef jerky.

buying a pistol in PA technically requires a NJ PPP The fact is you can't buy a cartridge firing pistol in PA with or without a purcahse permit. This is an example of what I mean about exporting NJ laws to other states.

IMO, purchasing a BB pistol in PA is legal either from a dealer or from a nonlicense, because it is not a firearm. No Federal or State law prevents the purchase or possession. Crossing into NJ with that BB pistol makes the pistol a firearm per NJ law. No permit is required to OWN this BB pistol in NJ. The permit is for PURCHASE within the state only. What law have you broken? I agree with PK90 on this. Too many people responding to the OP are exporting NJ law to another state. It doesn't work that way. it is still Prohibited by NJ STATE Law The gun isn't prohibited. It is illegal to transfer one in NJ without a pistol permit.

I have absolutely no use for the 40 and don't have any intentions of owning one. AFAIC the 40 was a gimmic to sell more guns after LE agencies went to 9mms in the 70s and 80s. More than a 9 less than a 45. The 40 is a little better than the 9mm. It doesn't do anything a 45 can't. Yeah there is a bit of personal prejudice here but I've got no use for a 40.

Where do you go to shoot them?

The shorter the barrel on a shotgun the wider the spread. Get it down to 12" or so and you can clean out a room with one shot.

in it, what caught my attention, all the M91's, and up, were designed to be shot with a bayonet on, even if it is a removable one. I heard this some time ago and witnessed it as being the case...until I got my Mosin. I was setting up at the bench on my first range trip and another shooter came by to see what I had. I was putting on the bayonet in preparation for shooting and mentioned it was designed to be zeroed with the bayonet mounted. He asked what year it was and I told him 1943. He said I didn't need the bayonet. I figured I'd show him and shot a group at 100 yds without the bayonet. Dead on. Shot groups with two more different kinds of ammo. All dead on. Later on shot with the bayonet and the groups were a bit off as I'd expect from a M1 or a Mauser with a bayonet. Just mentioning this as I guess nothing is absolute and apparently this guy knew something about Mosins.

Weapons used in performance of out Duties (which Off-duty firearms DO fall under since we are considered ALWAYS "on Duty" when armed) are covered, Kpd you are correct. My mistake.

Shane, I'm in 100% agreement with you I'm only making the point that long range shooting and sniping are in many ways two different things. I'm saying teaching yourself is not the way to go. If you pursue long range competitive shooting you will attend countless clinics which is education outside of the military. As I said only about 20% of school at Benning is shooting and 80% fieldcraft. I realize that the military is in a constant game of catchup in many areas.

Just thought of something to add considering the issue. The Model 70 Winchester Carlos Hathcock used was really only capable of about 2 minutes of angle. Most long range shooters would consider that shotgun accuracy. Its not the equipment as much as how its used.

There are exemptions to this (i.e. police on duty, FFLs), but not for ordinary citizens LEOs are totally exempt. The original law said no exceptions off duty but that meant is a LEO was issued a Glock 17 as a duty weapon he or she couldn't carry it off duty. Trust me the legislature tried to restrict LEOs but decided they'd just exempt them.

The only sticking point is learning long range precision shooting outside the Army Shane I said: There is no way you can self teach yourself long range shooting 10% as good as the Army can. I didn't say you couldn't learn outside the Army, I said you can't teach yourself as well as the Army can. It can and is done every day. In fact you can get BETTER training than the Army has to offer in civillian channels. However, this is an endeavor measured in years and a SIGNIFICANT financial commitment. There are some civilian schools that are very good and you are correct that it will take years to make you a better long range shot than an "average" Army sniper (and a lot of money spent in the process). The Army and USMC don't have the luxury of taking years to do so. Shooting a rifle well is one thing and learning the fieldcraft of a sniper is another. Long range shooting and sniping are really two different things. Tactically, there is a big difference between a skilled long range shooter and an Army or Marine sniper. If they were opposing one another the sniper would move in and take out the long range shooter without the shooter even seeing the sniper (the sniper is not going to carry a bullseye target on a target frame). My plan is go for MP then after become a law enforcement officer. Joe if you want to be an Army sniper the only feeder MOSs (jobs you are already qualified in and must have to go to the school) were Infantryman, Cavalry Scout, and Special Forces. If this still holds your chances of going to sniper school as an MP are zero. One of the best, low cost ways to learn about rifle shooting is to go to an Appleseed weekend. http://www.appleseedinfo.org/index.html You will only need your 10/22 so there's not really any great additional cash outlay. Ammo, transportation, and the school fee. There's one this month and in June in NJ but not being sure where you live. One in PA or NY may accommodate you better. I watched ranger training yesterday, that was serious. All training is serious. Any training will take you to the limits of what you think your physical and mental endurance is and prove to you that you can do more. This is done in different ways depending on what the training is (basic, infatntry, ranger, OCS, SF etc). I have never heard anyone say the physical portion of______training was a piece of cake. The only people I've ever met that could say that were Navy SEALS (already having been thru SEAL training) I saw in jump school at Ft Benning. But they didn't. Joe if there's any thing else you care to ask let me know.

They'll teach you how to shoot better than the internet can. As Mr P said you will probably develop bad habits that will only have to be fixed if you teach yourself. I know as I went through that with handguns. I was good but damn was I so much better after professional instruction. The Army has taught millions of men and women to shoot a rifle. They have their methods down pretty much after all these years. Pay attention, do what they tell you and you will have no problem engaging long range targets. You want to be a sniper? Go infantry and apply for the school. You have to be in a unit for some time before you apply. Also only about 20% of sniper school is shooting, 80% is fieldcraft (camo, movement, etc). There is no way you can self teach yourself long range shooting 10% as good as the Army can. If you want to spend time doing something to prepare you for the Army I'd say work on your weight (if overweight) and physical fitness. These are the two areas mosr people fail in. Start running if you don't do so already (I'm not talking short sprints either), push ups and situps (yes they changed the PT test but these things will help), and moreso upper body strength if you want to go to jump school. If you're serious about going in the Army work on your physical fitness not your shooting skills.

I had the urge for a long time until I was able to satisfy it. I have a 5 1/2" Ruger Redhawk I bought over 25 years ago that has more than satisfied the urge. i have a gazillion rounds through it and it just keeps going and going.

i will be joining the Army with the rest of my buddies. I want something to practice with for tactical situations. I went into the Army in 1967, stayed in one form or another (Active, Guard, and Reserve) until I retired in 2010. What is it you want to do in the Army that you feel you need long range rifle practice for?

If you were making a presentation at some local fiesta Mexican Spanish would do. You're dealing with a high end audience though. I'd use Castilian.

Thanx djg.

He was the congressman for the 3rd district for one term after Jim Saxon retired and lost to John Runyan.

Russians? Some former eastern-bloc? It appears some of the posters on the wall are cryllic alphabet. Russian, Bulgarian, or other?