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@Ray Ray the original ration for the march was lentils carried by the Romans Legions. Field rations during Napoleon's time became canned but initially they were bottled.

I'm out for two reasons: 1. I'll be west of the Mississippi. 2. After running MISPC at Grafenwoehr in the snow at 0 degrees Fahrenheit, shooting in the cold when you don't have to is not fun.

You need to figure how much you laid out for the 10 round mags. That's what your time was worth.

He said they were Glock 19 magazines not 17.

The fact you had >10 Rd magazines last year or even last week is not probable cause for a warrant. Information for a search warrant had to be fresh. Assuming you complied with the law and disposed of those >10 Rd magazines is the same as assuming you still have them.

I imagine you will see as many police at ranges counting more than 11 shots as you did at ranges trying counting more than 16 shots.

He sounds like the pre-teen who goes on Facebook and gets in a contest to see who can get the most "friends".

That really doesn't bother me. Almost all recognize the difference between real life and a game. Soldiers in their teens and 20s are big fans of video games. They don't seem to have a problem.

Not commenting on enforcement strategies is something I would expect any law enforcement agency to do. As I've said in other threads I think it will be enforced like the 15 Rd magazine law has been enforced for almost 30 years.

You can dream of nullification. I've been involved in hundreds of trials in my time and have rarely seen it happen.

Thanks Ray. That's one point I didn't make. Most 20 somethings and 30 somethings grew up playing video games. After playing "Medal of Honor", "Special Ops", and other military games. That instilled an interest in trying the real thing (or as close to the real thing they could get). Military games were not the only influence. I remember taking my nieces to the Museum of Natural History when they were 10-11 years old (only 15 months between them). I was a bit surprised when we were in the Hall of American Mammals and they related how they had "hunted" some of them in a Cabela's hunting game. My own interest in guns started with TV and movies. I learned the technical aspects from books. Toy guns were normal for kids then. Unlike today the more they looked like "real" guns they better they were. We didn't have "mass shootings" like there are there are today. Guns started to be evil in the late 70s and early 80s. That's when pharmaceuticals were brought on the market that "controlled" many behavior disorders. A lot of them worked...if they were taken. Liberal politicians found instead of spending money on mental institutions they could spend it on other things. What would have gotten you committed to an institution back in the 60s and 70s gets you a prescription and thrown back on the street.

@Maksim I generally agree with your statement with one exception. I don't think the number of people interested in shooting is declining. If anything it's increasing. I think gun games had a lot to do with this. There really weren't any until the middle 70s. Then came along IPSC, bowling pins and metallic silhouette. Guns weren't just for cops, hunters, and targetshooters any more. The growth of number of FFLs and commercial ranges just bear out this growth of shooting in NJ. Someone has to be keeping them in business.

This is something I've always said. If someone gets jammed up for an >10 Rd magazine they don't need a "gun lawyer". The law has already been established. As far as the legal system is concerned you might as well have committed an armed robbery or burglary. The armed robber or burglar usually has something to plea down to. A good criminal defense lawyer will try to avoid going to trial. Why take a chance when you minimize the impact on your client? That minimization might be dismissal of the charges, PTI, or plea out to a case you have no chance of winning.

A pistol grip is whatever they want to define a pistol grip.

We can disagree on point 1 all we want but that's the way it's been for at least 45 years that I know. "Arrest them and let the lawyers figure it out" is something I've heard for some time. Most often that's done with contraband found in a common area and no one ups to it being theirs. However that's not a standard way of doing business in law enforcement. Cops don't make their careers by making bum arrests and writing crappy tickets. You're not going to hear about the breaks cops give people for a variety of reasons.

This video is not a new idea and may have been inspired by a magazine ad. John Bianchi, a former LA County Sheriff's Deputy IIRC, founded Bianchi Holsters back in the 50s. He ran an ad in the 80s that showed 2 photos. One was him properly attired in a business suit. The other was with the jacket removed and the pants legs rolled up to show he was concealing maybe a dozen handguns he was carrying. All in Bianchi holsters of course. The caption read, "John Bianchi, Master of Concealment". All quality leather. I have Bianchi holsters I bought in the 70s I still use. Of course I found the video more entertaining. I think people make too much of the "printing" thing. I've been carrying concealed for over 40 years and never had an incident where someone had noticed where I was "printing". Women do have some issues carrying concealed. Most OWB holsters hold the gun high on the hip. Women are more often short waisted and/or shorter. They also have more curve on the hip than men. I have seen holsters that take those issues into account. Most OWB concealment holsters put the gun poking the woman in the ribcage many times near the armpit if they are short. The dozens of women I worked and trained seemed to find a strong side OWB more flexible holster like a pancake or Speed Scabbard worked best. Maybe a shoulder holster when wearing a suit. The problem with shoulder holsters for smaller women is many don't adjust small enough to fit them.

Nappen's scenario will not happen. Owning a gun that accepts a >10 Rd magazine is not probable cause for a warrant. Otherwise all of us who own ARs, Mini 14s, and other long guns could be subject to having a search warrant issued because we may have purchased a 20 or 30 Rd magazine in another state. I solved my magazine issue for ARs long ago when the Federal AWB expired. Suppliers were dumping quality 10 Rd magazines for as little as $5 each. The few 15rd AR magazines I had have been disposed of. I did the same with 10 Rd magazines for handguns. Reloading is a valuable training point on the range and 10 Rd magazines make you do it more often. My >10 Rd handgun magazines have been properly taken care of. Saying possession of a >10 Rd capable handgun is less than probable cause for being drunk in your living room, having your car in the driveway, and being arrested for drunk driving. Now drunk driving is the only mv violation you can be arrested for on private property. If I'm wrong any current LEO please correct me. If you're drunk and move your car in your driveway you could be arrested. I have never been a fan of Nappen. I've never seen him win any big cases. If I'm wrong someone please tell me. Nappen is a fearmonger. He is the type of lawyer that if asked "what should I do" he responds with "do nothing". IANAL but I've dealt with a lot of lawyers in my adult life. As prosecutors and defense attorneys. It wouldn't surprise me if Nappen said "don't have any guns and I'll guarantee you won't have any gun problems". He is a grandstander. There is no plan to enforce the 10 Rd magazine law in NJ because it's a "feel good" law just like the AWB. The >10 Rd magazine law will be enforced like the >15 Rd magazine law.

I don't think having anything sealed in a package ready to be mailed would protect you if the police had a search warrant. A warrant specifies the items that are being searched for. Police can look anywhere these items could be. If they could fit in a sealed package in a residence the police could search there. If a sealed package would be exempt from a search criminals would have been doing that for years. I retired after 30 years as a 1811/Criminal Investigator for a federal agency. Local police who want to search a package in the custody of the Post Office aren't going to get anywhere unless they get the Postal Inspectors involved. If there is a federal crime involved they will be the ones to get the warrant. The only exception is if the package is entering or leaving the country then CBP or HSI can search it without a warrant. Local police do not go to a federal judge for a warrant unless they are on a federal task force like JTTF or a DEA drug task force and are cross designated as federal officers (TFOs). If a federal officer or TFO is looking for a warrant they need to go to an Asst US Attorney first where it usually gets written up. It needs to be for a federal crime. The federal system has no interest in enforcing state law (although they could do so if they wanted to). Then it goes to a federal judge. On weekends I have gone to vacation homes, boats, golf courses, parties, weddings, and other events to get the duty federal magistrate to sign the warrant. I also think people are over thinking this. The only thing the post office ever asked me is if there was anything hazardous or liquid in the package. The only problem I can see is if you take Nappen''s advice and claim "books and magazines" and take the lower (4th class?) rate for printed material. I'm sure there's some kind of fine for that.

@AVB-AMG I did get to shoot a MAS 38 submachine gun once!!!

Don't think I can get through Legion basic training now. I do like the kepI blanc though!!! The French do have a reputation for sending in the Legion when the situation looks hopeless.

As much as I generally dislike FDR I have to admit that was a great speech.

@Zeke intresting to see @Mrs.Zeke's concerns of two years ago vs the Mrs Zeke we know today.

Not mentioned so I thought I would. Not an often discussed topic in today's day and age. A victory for the enemy? Sure but it showed how quick America learns. 5 months after Pearl Harbor we fought them to a draw at the Battle of the Coral Sea. 6 months after Pearl Harbor we kicked their asses and stopped Japanese expansion. 3 years later we fought them to the shores of Japan. Ethnic slurs are always appropriate when directed against the enemy. We should never be caught unprepared again.

France seems to be going through step 8 of the Saul Alinsky plan: 1. Healthcare. 2. Poverty 3. Debt 4. Gun Control 5. Welfare 6. Education 7. Religion 8. Class Warfare Obamacare, increasing numbers on food stamps by over 60%, doubling the national debt in 8 years, all you people holding on to "your guns and Bibles", standardized education, and working to divide classes of people were just a few things Obama did. Socialism is not your friend.

Thought I'd relate a story from some time ago. I was in another country where the women really liked American men. Thought I'd ask the woman I was with what they liked about American men. As I was doing so we were going through a door I had opened for her. Her response? "If I were with a ______man I wouldn't get through that door unless I opened it myself".