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That happens with me sometimes Zeke. Of course being 111 years old that's understandable. I still open doors for women. Few get offended and if they do that's their problem. Younger women seem to enjoy it as they're not as used to it as older women.

@Sniper22 enough has been said by both of us to support our positions. People can make their own judgements. I am not going to convince you to my way of thinking and you most certainly not going to convert me to yours. Trust me, many will survive whatever catastrophe you envision without one item of MH. @Scorpio64 I don't eat a lot of canned food either. Although some here can't seem to believe I'm capable of doing so I'm like you and make most things fresh. It's cheaper than anything else for one thing. I do have a stock of staples like rice and beans which, protected from humidity, pretty much last forever. Also good sources of protein but you'll be hard pressed to beat tuna when it comes to protein. This stock also gets rotated too. I don't think that having two months of food is needed in 99.9999% of the scenarios emergency food is needed. A few days maybe, a few weeks possible. My insurance is pretty well covered too. I'm comfortable with it and that's the important thing. @Lambo2936 have you tried your filters out? On what kind of water? Perhaps you should do this before you need them and see what they really deliver.

You're still using fuzzy math to justify the extra expense of MH. You can throw away 60% of the cans in your example and still get more out the cans than MH. If you have something that expires in 2 years why would you be checking it monthly? Some people eat some of their MH stash. I'll have an occasional can of Beefaroni. I guess you think I just can't afford fresh food. Which is cheaper than MH anyway. Yeah, think whatever you want. I don't think you've ever had to live off water treated in a field environment. Such water is safe to drink but doesn't always taste the best. If that's the water you have to reconstitute your MH peaches I guarantee my can of peaches will taste better. Maybe you have some sophisticated water purification system. Most people dont. @Scorpio64 said, "wondering if that 5 year old can of mushroom soup will kill you". That's where the dying from canned food will kill you came from. Never gave that much though as I've never had a 5 year old can of anything outside of c rations. I still fail to see how looking at your canned food every 6 months and moving items to consumption takes that much planning and attention. I linked to the C ration and MRE cookbooks to show that inventiveness and a few extra resources can take the boring out of canned food and MREs if you're in a situation where that's all you have. You will get that way eating MH for a long period too. Nothing to do with surviving on a battlefield. Not anapples to hammers comparison. If you're in your home and you need emergency food that seems like an exigent circumstance. If one can't afford a stock of MH what should you do? Starve? You also failed to read my second post in this thread. I said, "If you're looking for long term no maintenance food supplies I'd go for the freeze dried nitrogen packed stuff". That also is the most expensive option. Well, I have to go now and figure which soup kitchen is open for me to bum a meal tomorrow. So I can save my Beefaroni.

Your math works if you're throwing out the cans. You're overlooking the part that you can eat that ravioli 5 times for 7.50 with cans. One time for 7.00 with MH. Thats using your math. Even if 3 of the cans went bad it's still only costing you 3.75 vs 7.00 a serving. BTW bought some BeefaronI with a 2 yr expiry date for $1 a can recently. I still can't see what constitutes all the "extra attention, monitoring, and labor" you're talking about. This is using stuff before expiration date not making rocket fuel or splitting an atom. If you're buying freshly canned food you're not rotating it "every few months". I've eaten MH. Its good but not so good to justify the price. If weight is a factor and you're sure to have good tasting water that's fine. If you want to spend your money that way fine. Don't try to convince people they will die horrible deaths if they rely on canned food. Necessity is the mother of invention. Soldiers and marines who had to live on c rations and mres answered the call. C ration and more cookbooks, http://david.brubakers.us/cookbook/rationcookbooks.html

Okay, let me know what it tastes like in 7 or 8 years. If you're happy with MH and willing to pay their prices go for it. I'm not convinced of all the virtues of MH for the price. I'm still wondering why you have no issue rotating your MH stock but see cans as a big problem.

Yes but if you use MH you need more water. Most canned food has 2-3 year shelf life unless you buy stuff that's already been on the shelf for some time. MH shelf life is really like 7 or 8 years. All those shelf life figures usually refer to quality not safety. I'm still alive after eating c rations that were more than a couple of years old in the 60s and 70s. That was done with ancient canning technology. If you have no issues rotating your MH stock why do you see issues rotating canned food? Don't know of anyone making canned stroganoff but you can easily find beef stew and chili mac in cans.

You're using confirmation bias to support your reasoning. Mountain House is has a long shelf life...as long as the seals remain intact. You've already noted the water to reconstitute MH would weigh a lot. 90 meals of MH is not that compact. If you're in a situation where fresh water may be restricted canned may be a better idea. If your water tastes like crap your MH will taste like crap. Peas, creamed corn, Vienna sausages? Live on asparagus for 20 days? Where do you shop? Go to the international foods aisle of any decent supermarket and you'll find your chili mac, fried rice, jambalaya and a lot of other non boring foods in cans. How much you carry backpacking is very dependent on your fitness level. Now I can't recall ever "backpacking" a week of canned food. 3-5 days of canned food yes. Along with a M16, several hundred rounds of 5.56, a few grenades, a claymore, 100 rds for the M60, half a dozen grenades for the M79, and maybe a spare battery for the radio. So yeah, I've probably carried the weight of 7 days of canned meals "backpacking". MH would make a lot of sense if you're carrying a week or more worth of food on your back. MH costs $6-9 a pouch. $7 for fried rice! At the lower end is stuff like biscuits and gravy (do you want to live on that? A can of Beefaroni and a can of mixed veggies can be had for under $2 on sale. Big price difference. You can easily have canned and dry foods stocked for a third the cost or less of MH. I can replenish my stocks at any Shop Rite. How much emergency food do you keep on hand? Do have pallets of the stuff you need to rotate? I've never seen any problem rotating stock. Never had to worry about a 5 year old can of mushroom soup. Never had one around. BTW mushroom soup is not a good choice for nutrition but does provide a base for other things. You have to watch out for Mountain House too, https://www.google.com/amp/s/foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2017/mountain-house-breakfast-hash-recalled-for-possible-foreign-materials-contamination/amp/ Nothing is perfect.

Carter has a few months to go to be older than Bush.

Storage conditions have effects on everything. Normal canned food has a shelf life of 1 to 3 years. Under good conditions this may be 3 to 5 years. Depends on the food and the storage conditions. I've seen cans last a lot longer than 5 years. MREs have a shelf life too. About 5 years. Can be longer but I've known them to last much less than 5 years. If you're looking for long term no maintenance food supplies I'd go for the freeze dried, nitrogen packed stuff. Just a quick look I found MREs for sale for about $5 a meal. If you know how to read labels you duplicate the nutritional value about half that price. Rotate your stock and it will last longer than you.

A lot of these "emergency food" issues can be solved more easily and less expensively by hitting Shop Rite during the Can Can Sale.

What are you wanting to buy MREs for? Emergency food? Planning an op in Central America?

Okay, you couldn't be considered an employee as you weren't getting paid. Your actions are commendable but the fact is the police are usually first at the scene. One doesn't ask for a paycheck when they work as a volunteer. Does being a paid EMT or Paramedic devalue their services? I'm not the one throwing around "public service" and "public servant" although I've had a few jobs one might consider as such. So if someone goes into the military to be a cook, clerk, or any of those other "ash and trash" jobs are they less of a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine because they weren't fighting?

Seems to me you should have been asking these questions a couple of months ago.

Confusing definitions. If you're trapped in your car 99% of the time the police will get there first. If they don't stabilize and contain the situation there may not be anything for the rescue squad to do. It seems you're trying to say if you get paid for it it can't be a public service job. Most people use the term "service" with a broad brush. Maybe we should not give veteran's benefits to those who were only cooks, clerks, and supply types.

It is difficult to shoot accurately because you dont know how. Its just like anything else. If you lived closer or are willing to drive a bit and spend a couple hours on the range with me I'd remove all the mysteries of the small frame revolver.

Boot grips suck IMO. Get Pachmyr Compacts or Hogue. They go a long way in helping you control recoil. Yes they make the gun a wee bit bigger which is only important if you're trying to fit the gun in a specific size box. Ammo selection is important. I'm not a fan of +P in a J frame. My favorite J frame load is a factory148 HBWC or an equivalent reload. Low recoil, easy to control, easy on you and gun, accurate and the bullet is already in an efficient shape. I used to shoot a 640 at a 12x20 IPSC metal target at 100 yds. After a sighter shot or two I could ding that target until I got tired. That was with a 12 pound trigger. There are many factors that influence control and accuracy. Springs in a revolver influence reliability, functioning and trigger pull. You can have two but not all three. Factory revolvers balance out all three issues. Try locking your support thumb on top of your strong side thumb. JMO

Not unless you get a variance. An 01 is for "engaging in the business".

True, zoning will be the first thing ATF looks at.

@bennj what kind of grips do you have on the gun? The standard boot grips?

The grease in your magazines was probably there to prevent corrosion enroute to you. I have never used grease in a magazine for overy 50 years now. A light coat of lube, CLP, etc is all you need.

These seem to work okay if you only have soft targets to worry about. Might be an idea for a HD gun. If they have to penetrate just a bit of something hard they tend to fragment from what I've read. The light weight means they tend to shed velocity faster than a lead bullet so they probably don't perform well at range.

Swapping springs in a J frame is pretty easy. However a 642 is really a SD gun. I'd leave it as it is and work on building up the muscle in your hands and fingers. JMO

Not if you use a 24 hour format.

I was the guy who liked ham and limas!!!

If you want to know how that international arms trade works read Frederick Forsythe "Dogs of War". Dated but it still works that way. Making connections, phony end user certificates.