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While I think teachers should be allowed to be armed with the proper training that's not going to solve the problem. About 80% of jobs in the military are support jobs that don't usually put people in positions where they trade shots. Now you're changing the rules by saying infantry vet. There is a big difference between fighting in the military and fighting in a law enforcement or self defense capacity. The most dangerous job with the most people doing it in Iraq or Afghanistan is truck driver IMO. Veteran's preference varies from state to state. Unless there's a special hiring program in the Federal government ,veterans only get a few points more on their test. Besides aren't you for smaller government? I don't think the government should create more jobs just for vets. Post 9/11 vets homelessness and unemployment has been affected by the 8 years of the stagnant economy under Obama. About half the homeless have mental issues and half have substance abuse problems. If there are no jobs for anyone there's no jobs for vets. Same as it is with everyone else. IIRC the Post 9/11 veteran's unemployment is currently about one half percent less than the rest of the country.

95% of gunfighting is mental prep. Skill at the range is no indicator of how well someone will do in a gunfight. Being a better shot doesn't necessarily mean you'll do well in a gunfight. I retired from the military in 2009 not 1967. Veterans today are no different than they were since WW2 in many respects. Most veterans have never fired a shot in anger. Not that they weren't capable of doing so. They never were in the situation. Just the way it is. Being an combat experienced veteran doesn't necessarily mean you have skills related to being a SRO. An infantryman is trained to destroy a target or dispense so much death and destruction on it they give up. Uniforms in schools seem to upset you but this doesn't? Battlefield skills in the schools? You say if everything else is equal they should hire the vet. FYI, disabled veterans and veterans have absolute preference when it comes to civil service jobs in NJ. NJ requires you to be a "war era vet" for this. You don't have to be in combat just on active duty. A non-vet gets a 90 on a test and I get a 75, I get hired as a disabled vet. Vets also have preference on promotional exams where you can't pass over a vet unless you're promoting another vet.

I stand corrected. Didn't think of that. Thanks for bringing that up!

You'd be happy if we did away with police totally? We both went through high school at a different time. Then is then and now is now. Do you have a fear of uniforms? Yes uniforms display authority among other things. They also show people who the good guys are. That's why plainclothes cops wear raid jackets. In a school shooting situation is that the shooter or is it the security guard?

I agree teachers carrying should be voluntary and they should be trained. I've been a teacher and a cop. Yes, both were some time ago. There would be exactly 2 teachers in the last school I taught in who could be relied on in something like a school shooting IMO. Most cops have never fired their gun at a hostile target and have never been shot at. That happens a lot of times not to avoiding danger but because of good tactics and planning. There are thousands of times a cop is justified in shooting someone and doesn't for every time for the times a cop shoots someone. When was the last time you saw a news report of, "Police don't shoot suspect even though it was warranted. They just arrested him". Wouldn't hiring specials as SROs be "expanding the police state". They do have police powers. I always see people suggesting hiring veterans for such jobs. I don't think being a veteran gives you a special qualification for a job like a SRO. Most veterans have nevery fired a shot in anger. Firearms and tactics training in the military depend on what your job is. The sailor who launches missiles from a submarine doesn't need to be trained in fire and maneuver. The Army requires everyone to maintain a basic proficiency in such things (Google US Army Warrior Tasks). That doesn't mean they would make good SROs. A SRO needs to be a cop IMO. The SRO needs to have authority to do that job. A security guard really doesn't much, if any, authority. I agree discussion of what a SRO does is a topic for another thread. A SRO needs to be able to deal with kids and gather intelligence proactively to avoid problems.

Yes having the SRO in Florida failed. The other three deputies didn't go in either. That means we should abandon the idea? There are a few people in car accidents who are killed by their seat belt. Should we stop wearing seat belts? Being a gunfighter is just a small part of what a SRO needs to be able to do. More on that later. The fact that we live under threat of terrorist attack probably warrants having police in tactical gear patrolling likely targets. Yes citizens should be able to be armed. However that's really not the answer to a Mubai type terrorist attack.

Jeff Cooper said, "Anyone who deserves to be shot deserves to be shot more than once". You shoot to stop a threat. You keep shooting until the threat stops.

You are showing your youth Shawn. Deli cut or cut from yourself roll was the only way I knew how to buy it until about 15 years ago. I never trusted the boxes!

A primitive army can wreck havoc on a modern Army if they are willing to take the casualities. The Chinese took over 50% casualties when they first went into Korea. It also depends on the type of war you're fighting. If your fighting a guerilla war you choose the place, time, and target. Castro had as little as 200 soldiers in his command as late as 1958. Batista had over 35,000 in his army and police. A string of victories and more joining his cause led him to victory not only over Batista but the other revolutionary groups. A better example is Yugoslavia during WW2. The situation was compounded by the fact that many of the partisan factors were also fighting each other as well as the Nazis. All the anti-Nazi factions had were small arms and what they captured from the Nazis. The Nazis had armor, artillery, and aircraft. It wasn't until about 1943 the Yugoslavia got any real outside help from the Allies. The Allies had to take some time to figure out who to support. Tito won. That's with limited preplanned air support from the Allies and depending on captured Nazi equipment. Tito's success was due to 2 factors. One is it embraced an ideology not a ethnicity as other groups did. Second, he had experienced soldiers to organize and train his partisans. Tito himself was the youngest sergeant major in the Austro-Hungarian Army in WW1. He was in his early 20s. Interesting to note Yugoslavia was the the only country to liberate itself from the Nazis by itself without any outside ground forces. So can a group of citizens with their ARs, AKs, FNs, and M1As who run out in the street to engage a well equipped army. No. Can the same people who are trained and organized do it? Certainly, if they are committed to their principles and willing to die for them. There are always those who would never stand up for anything if it would put their life in danger. Many won't stand up for anything if it might cause then some discomfort. That is the reality.

I have a 10 shot 22 revolver and an 8 shot 357 and a few 6 shot. I see no difference in indexing between them shooting DA or SA. While a 10 turns the cylinder 36 degrees and the 6 shot 60 degrees the internal mechanism is designed for that. JMO

@capt14k there was plenty of 20 Rd magazines in the inventory 10 years ago and probably still is. The question of why he carried 20s is easy. A 30 makes you get about 2" or so higher if you're in the prone. Being 2" lower can be more important than having 10 more rounds. I got through one war with only 20 Rd mags so I guess I did okay. Later on I'd carry a mix of 20s and 30s. When I explained why to younger troops I found many of them started doing the same. Mast was an EOD guy attached to JSOC. There are some 40s floating around in the system and you'd probably find most of them in JSOC. They issued what they had on hand. Or it could be he "acquired" it over there. @TokenEntry to be fair his bio says he was a EOD guy attached to Joint Special Operations Command.

When people take antobiotics for some time they kill the not only the bad bacteria but the good bacteria also. Your body needs the good bacteria to properly digest food. When I have had to take strong antibiotics my doctor told me to get some OTC probiotics to avoid the side effect of digestive problems. Never had any problems when taking the probiotic. I'm not sure if the same thing works with dogs but it would seem to make sense. Also unsure if dogs can take human probiotics. I'd run this past your vet.

@Oakridgefirearms you are correct the Federal law went into effect in 1994. It was one of the last "gifts" of the Democratic Congress that went away after the 94 elections.

No way do I inflict as much pain on you as @Mrs.Zeke

I'm no expert on spud guns but last I knew ATF did not consider them destructive devices unless they were being used as a weapon. Used receationally ATF had no problem with them. I believe ATF also considered them DDs if they shot an incendiary projectile. I knew some guys in Pennsylvania who used to get together with some pretty elaborate spud guns. Some of these packed a bit of punch and could inflict injury if used as a weapon. State laws vary a great deal on these.

Midway USA has mediums in woodland camo in like new condition with frame and straps for $109.

I believe under NJ law it would be a firearm as it fires a projectile propelled by expanding gases. A potato gun is a firearm under NJ law.

The Federal AWB (1992) was modeled after the NJ AWB (1990). The only differences I can recall is the Federal law grandfathered all guns and magazines that were already our there and limited new magazines to 10 rounds.

@PK90 IIRC not only parts but complete compliant rifles were available during the Federal AWB.

Glock 19. Best all around 9mm out there IMO.

I went a long time before I got a quality 22 DA revolver. I picked up a 617 at a bargain price. I shoot that 22 handgun more than any other since.

Interesting you mention this. When I was in Australia in 1968, Australian women loved American guys. I was asking the Australian girl I was with why as I opened a door for her. Her response was, "That for example. If I was with an Australian man I wouldn't get through that door unless I opened it myself".

Texans know how to act!!!

If you want to go easy look for bowling pin matches. You're not working from a holster and you're shooting by yourself against the clock not with other shooters. Don't go out there figuring your going to astound everyone with your abilities. Shoot at a speed you're comfortable with. Strive for accuracy. Speed will come later. If you want to start off easy. Bowling pins- just working with time Plates- time and a holster USPSA- holster, time, reloading required, movement A Glock 19 is fine for any of these. JMO

@Ray Ray it's really not. I think I've told this story before. I know of a guy who tried to commit suicide using a single barrel 12 gauge. High brass #4 or #6 birdshot. He wound up shooting himself in the shoulder. Contact wound, maximum velocity, shot hadn't even left the wad. He was an average size guy and only a few pieces of shot got to his scapula which stopped it. That was maybe 4-5" of penetration. He almost succeeded although he shot himself in the shoulder. He took out a chunk of his brachial artery. Having second thoughts, he walked about 100' to his next door neighbor. Banged on the door for help. Laying on the steps fully conscious although you could take his pulse by watching the blood spurt from his shoulder. The only reason he lived IMO is the wad plugged the entry wound and there was very little blood at the initial scene. When the wad popped out at his front door he left a very easy blood trail to his neighbor's front porch. If he had used 00 he undoubtedly would have blown his shoulder apart and bled out through the entry and exit wound. That wasn't his day to die though. So much for birdshot for SD and cut shells.