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they can trace IP addresses and pin point most people easily ..... Yes they do. But you, no. Why ... because you dont fit the profile. unless you are out there typing anti US slogans and threating POTUS. And trust me, most people in DHS are more like you then they are like OWS participants.

And the idiots get fed by the media and lobbyists.

Bone... I dont think your looking at this from a world view. I will try to get you some reference later tonight, as my books are at home. But look at this way. If Iraq becomes a regional superpower in the mid 90s, it would have weakend Iran because they would have needed to spend cash to strenghten themselves against Iraq. If Iran depletes their coffers, they become susceptible to take over by the Taliban, giving the Taliban a larger base and resources from which to start the new Caliphate. Now with the hypothetical takeover of Iran, this new Caliphate expands into surrounding countries effecting relations and therefore trade in the Gulf area, mainly oil but spices, food and other materials. So to keep the Taliban in check, and Iran where it needs to be, a thorn in the arse to all (remember Iran is not an Arab country) the US takes out Afghanistan and the Taliban and keeps Iran's economy on track. This keeps things somewhat peaceful, confused but peaceful for the other countries in the region insuring materials moving and money moving around the region. Sorry, in my take it was done for world trade. I think you are looking for too much logic in world politics, there rarely is any as there are too many players with too many agendas and forces pressing one way or the other. And media monitoring is not spying.

"but it gets harder to deny with each passing day" ... yep it does. And yes this mixture of prez/congress/senate has been nothing but a toxic mess, totally agree. Cant say I have ever been less happy with leadership. Plus I want to add a little of pop psych in here, because I dont think leadership believes there own BS most of the times, but feel they have to to pander to the idiots in our society. I will say this about my boss... I think he will go down as one of the biggest political disapointments in world history... the first black man elected to a super power, and he screwed the pooch. By the way, prepping is my hobby. It is what we should all do.

Because I know that we cant figure out how to wipe our own rear ends some days, let alone spend time spying on a hard working, US citizen that like to practice his 2nd amendment. Do you really think there is some many thousand strong US gov workforce out there trying to spy on the 160 million US citizens. You really think that of the DHS employees, that there are enough really smart people in there to do that job?

This is taken directly from you post. 1. I didn't question your spelling. "Spelling aside, what do you actually...." Small as in insignificant in world history. In no way does this demean any sacrifice put out by our armed forces, but in 100yrs, will it be taught in schools as a major world event, prob not. Shame as the turmoil created by the US involvement spurred what could be a cultural and political revolution in the middle east. But I dont think the US will be credited for this happenings. I need more explanation of your point that our wars led to "leading the enactment of unconstitutional legislation". Our idiot lib pols did this... not a war. Trade... business... economics, whatever you want to call it. And no I do not think that the real reason was WMDs or 9/11 (to an extent) but for trade. A business friendly and wealthy Middle East is much more secure for the US then poor, underdeloped slop holes are. Afghan War was to keep Al Qaida and Taliban from using it as a stepping stone to grabbing another ME or Gulf country (Iraq, Iran, Syria, Kuwait) and creating a regional super power, which insure US power in the region, safe guarding trade and business with those countries. A wealthy Kuwait is a happier, more US friendly Kuwait. Same as with those other countries.

Mikelets... Never called you crazy.. ok tinfoil hat wearing, but never crazy. Please understand I am with you, I never wrote you off. am in agreement with you on prepping 100%, preparing for anything, but my argument is that you are wasting your time prepping in a protectionist fashion against government forces. Agree with you about all the concerns in our country right now, but weigh that concern versus the overiding fear of the cold war days, Bay of Pigs or McCarthy. We lived in fear of daily atomic anihilation. A little more pressing then some liberal screaming about me being a Tea Partier. Things have been this way since our founding fathers were around, the press was run by Tories and published articles that would make you laugh, our goverment is often at odds with the populace, thank god for democracy. Why did it take us so long to get involved in WWI? Vietnam? Somalia? How many times have we had total agreement between people and gov? During the begining of our involvment in WWII, more then half the country did not want us to go to war in Europe and wanted us to focus on Japan only. How would that have worked out? We are not in worse shape then ever before, probably our best shape ever. Prep for what you want, please do I would advise for it all the time, I am trying to get you to see that our country is doing good, it could be much better, but we are not in a toilet circling mode by any stretch of the imagination.

Bone.. lets start by agreeing that you stop questioning my spelling and I will stop questioning your grammar. You and I have a history of disagreement so this will be my one and only response unless you decide to discuss things without trying to demean and or berate me. My depth of knowledge in regards to Isreal is not relevant to the post as I was using Isreal as an example. But, am I a middle eastern expert, no. An Isrealli or one with in depth knowledge of Isreal, no. Am I working on my MS in GeoPolitics and am responsible for analysis and interpretation of national and internation events here at work, yep. Are there people out there much smarted then me on these subjects, yep. I am having a hard time figuring out what you disagreed with... the IRAQ II and Afghanistan were small wars or we went to war for trade? By the way just in case, oil is a trade good.

mikelets.. please see other thread that was started. And trust me, there will be no boxcars in my families future.

I was going to walk away from this thread before I said something that got me in trouble... but i am back. One thing I would like people to look at, read up on and possibly reasearch is the feeling the the USA is headed into the toilet because of some recent events. I think you are wrong and I will tell you why... The USA has been at war (REAL WAR) for about 20% of it's history or had the specter of ward over it's head fro another 20% of the time since the day of the country's inception. There have been few very long periods of time the US has had real peace and those periods were marred by police actions, facing insurrections, causing bloodbaths internally what have you. The US is a violent country... it is what we do and what we did to become who we are. It is what we do best. We are young, we face issues with our fists just like a teen age boy. We can be unpredictable, benevolent, kind and warlike in the same moment. We are an adolescent country with no idea what we want to be when we grow up. We are the equivalent of the ancient Guals.. barbaric to the Romans but coming on fast and power that needs to be dealt with. same as the Romans were 400 years before to the Greeks. But think back to what people consider a better time... 1940s dont even need to be in the equation due to WWII. The 1950s with race relations, mcartyism, threat of atomic bombs, communism, Korea etc etc. A better time, I think not. 1960s... worse then the '50s I think for uncertainty with Vietnam, Isreal, Bay of Pigs, Kennedy, USSR. The 1970s were good except for Arab nations, USSR, East Germany, middle east, China, Nixon etc etc etc. Now the 1980s, beside music where not too bad with the fall of the USSR being a highlight, but then we had Iran, Lebanon, Myamar, Cuba Balkans heating up. Into the 1990s, Balkans, Somalia, collapse of Russia, Iraq, Al Qaida, 9/11... I am not even out of the first 5 years in the '90s. So are we really in a worse place then ever before... not even close. Patriot Act and DDs versus McCarthy... I will take PA any day. But let me get back to the USA as it stands. Why does it seem that we are in a worse time, because of two SMALL wars. Wars that lasted a decade but we have still lost less soldiers in that decade then in one month of WWII. If you look you will see that we lost about twice as many brave men and women in 10years as were lost on D-Day alone. These were small wars, insignificant in a somewhat historical context. So if they were not important you ask, why did we get involved, well because the world needs us to be warlike, not only for geopolitical reasons... but for trade. A strong, sometimes engaged US military keeps trade lines open to most of the worlds economies chugging through our naval and air power. So having US ships at sea during wartime secures trade lanes for the entire world. Also because no matter what happens on the battle field, economies across the globe are safer if the US is taking on a perceived enemy. Take for example Isreal, if the Us was not involved in Iraq what would the status of Isreal be right now? Prosperous or spending all their funds on defense to keep the Arab nations at bay? Would they still be in existence, because through the US being involved in the Gulf, Isreal's enemies are worried about the US and spending money dealing with our large and bumbling forces, not spending money on eradicating Isreal. The same goes for the Phillipines, Ukraine, Turkey and some Central and South American countires to name a few. As long as the US is out their stirring the pot, none of these backwater third world nations with despots can get big enough to become regional superpowers. So the US goes out and picks fights that dont make sense, creating instability and causing the media to freak out. But if you think about it, I bet you would think we are actually better off.

Crack me up... this has nothing to due with the Patriot Act and the DDS Bill. NOTHING... The PatAct and DDS go WAY beyond what this is referring to. Those items give the gov the ability and permission to go into your private information, banking.. medical... bills... background checks etc etc etc etc etc. Way more intrusive and usually reserved for deep investigations because it costs TOO MUCH money to use them on all individuals. It is called Media Monitoring for a leaning forward position. Collecting information used in providing situational awareness and establishing a common operating picture is what you do so that all first responders are seeing a situation from the same POV and have the same information. We at FEMA do it all day and night, sometimes the fastest way to be alerted to an occurence or alert is through local media or social media. Earthquake, illigal aliens crossing borders, chemical spill, tsunami, zombies etc etc etc. Example... tweets concerning an overturned chemical tanker outside Aberdeen Proving Grounds from motorists. We notice the tweets and start looking for any pics where we can identify the chem type, warning placards on truck, type of truck or tanker etc etc. Does local FD have a HAZMAT team qualified for that chem, is the DOD resources in the area capable of assisting, what are the traffic issues, evacuation plans and area, are we certain it was an accident. What does MD EMA have in plan and what are their force mobilizing to? Hundreds of questions can be answered in minutes now, not hours. Since we are linked into state EMAs through a software that allows a Common Operating Picture we can get these answers in a textual as well as graphic/map format. That is what a COP or common operating picture gives you. Do I think they are watching for people planning to try to overthrow the government... neonazis, white supremist, radical islamist, radical urbanites, drug cartels... you betcha. Is that wrong? Once again if you think DHS is monitoring you and your free speech, then by all means dont say anything in a public forum that can be misconstrued. Loosen it a bit more...

The way to go is hydrographics... last much longer, is prof and durable. This is how camo gets put on guns. And not too expensive... I priced out a m1a stock in urban digital camo and it was like $200 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Endless-Hydrographics-New-Jersey-Division/141005199244801 They are in Toms River area I think.....

prices are dropping already... now selling for about $1300!!! hahahahahhaha.

I hate the education connection commercials. pisses me off scamming kids into thinking beimg lazy is ok, plus the ones with the girls lip symching blow. Thepajama girls are cute... but it does not redeem the spots enough

Proof that the liberal left are fascist hiding in plain sight.

Reloader... how did you do that?

Nino... I can paypal you some money or send you a check. I would surely appreciate it. I wonder if you have to be present to win?

Nino... buy me $20 worth of chances...please???? Big props to remington on this!!! Class act and way to help the shooting community out.

Baba... I assume your talking about the SIGs... they are american made in exeter NH. Yes the parent company is SIG Sauer GmbH, the German representative of Switzerland-based manufacturing firm Swiss Arms AG, The SIGs are a great deal loaded with features, very little in the way of MIM parts (only 3), I believe storm lake barrels and checkmate mags, for $650 and up dependent on model/features. I paid $850 for a SIGTACOPS.

Camden can not be bought... I worked a real estate deal with a group out of NC, Cherokee Investment Partners, that had a plan to redevelop north Camden with over 5,000 new homes and a shopping center. They were willing to build or rehabb (more costly mind you) approx 500 low income housing units across the city as well. The local short sighted, corrupt and bigoted town powers stonewalled and delayed plans, made ridiculous demands and finally destroyed a $200 million deal and almost destroyed the investment company from within, and this is a company that has over 500 prop across the world and over 2 bill in assets available. Thier reps were so disgusted with the amatuerish behavior of the Camden officials that they willingly left over $1mill in plans/legal/fees etc etc and just walked away, leaving Camden holding their collective $%cks. I sometimes feel so sad for the residents of Camden, but then I remember those meeting and the contempt I feel for the people they put in office and I dont any longer. But I do think the new leadership is improving, but I am biased.

The poor dogs have no fur... they are freaking cold. My setters get this way in the winter... I can barely keep my 4yo boy off of me currently.

"sporting clays facilities that will only allow break-open guns"... and those places suck, are elitist and nit picking ninny's. I love the guys that get all bent that my SA might eject a shell onto the blue of their billion dollars guns.... jezzus it's a gun not a museum piece. Get a Beretta 3901 from Walmart in PA or your LGS. It is a great starter gun and you can add a $10 shell catcher to precent any damage to your overly anal (redundant I know, trap shooters are notoriously anal) squad mate to your right.

DHS is made up of the 8 major organizations listed below. I happen to work for one of them, and if you think you should be more worried about these agencies while at Hagues or because of your membership at Hagues, you need to loosen the tinfoil hat a bit and stop watching youtube videos. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Transportation Security Administration (TSA) U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) U.S. Coast Guard U.S. Secret Service Office of Inspector General

For skeet and trap I also recomend Pine Valley Trap Club in Pine Hill http://www.pinevalleygc.com/ And I belong to Pine Belt out in Shamong to shoot skeet... which I have not done in a year ot three. http://www.pinebeltsc.com/

Ryan is right that the only way Camden solves itself is to depopulate itself. I watched Atlanta explode in yuppies and gen xers when they pushed all the poor out into other areas. It's what happens... The wealthy need the poor (see border control issues) but the poor need safety as well. This is not just criminal on criminal violence, alot of it is senseless, needless violence on innocent victims. It needs to be condensed, rehabbed and rejuvenated. To bad the best view of Philly is from Camden...