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just to throw a wrench into situation ckeck out the racial disposition

Must be the ammo side because here is my very recent experience. I purchased a 597 Red Dot from Dicks last month. The Red dot requires a picatiny rail, there is no rail on the rifle. I call Rem and tell the CS Rep that the rife has no rail. He tells me that Dicks is supposed to provide the rail or a Red Dot that uses the grooved receiver to attach. I get this feeling that I am about to get the "Go call Dicks. line. Instead I get "But I will send a rail out to you ASAP Mr Aiken. Is there anything else you might need?" "Well I need two mags also... what do I owe you?" "Dont worry about it Mr Aiken, we appreciate your business over the years." Coulda knocked me over with a piece of grass. Call them and discuss.

Thats not a fight, thats a discussion about where to get a cheese steak in the neighborhood.

Happy Birthday brother. I hope you have a good one!

per this thread where they charge $480... it would seem they will be. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/16884-glock-gssf-purchase-program/

Call u will be suprised

+10000000000 We have had this discussion before and I think glock has the right idea. Way to go gaston.

I had the exact opposite experience with rem.

A very nice purchase. I eyed them up on Friday at his place. One of the most underated semi's ever produced. That thing is a tank... go shoot the snot out of it.

Glad this worked out for you and I am extremely jealous. I will be looking to add the collectors exemtion to my repetoire sooon.

How about Buy American.

Got mine Fri. They are singing the layoff blues there. It took me 12 weeks, but there was an issue getting my references in.

yeah... let me clarify. This is when I was a resident of Georgia and was a CCW holder there.

My own almost catastrophic fail. Got out of my car to go to an ATM machine while carrying a S&W Model 19 at 7ocklock (left handed). Got to the machine and put my card and an nonchalantly checked the Smith in the holster. I just about crapped myself when I realized that somehow while getting out of the car I cocked the hammer into SA. Lesson Learned "Dont ever carry a hammer gun without a retention stap on the holster. "

Ha... I picked up a loaded sa on fri. I only got to put a few rds through it to get the feel, but boy is it nice. it has some kick, but not much recoil if u get my drift. I can not wait ti get it sigjted perfectly and she was it can do out past 100yds

Ok... I concede that I am regionalizing it. Maybe because I believe this area sucks and OC or CCW will NEVER happen. I come from a free state and I miss having my liberty 100%... but as of right now I will not change it for reasons personal to me. And this incident did not happen in NJ, it happened in a free state and they still have issues with it. And like you pointed out, due to a lack of education on the subject. I get that. You know what, I never OC'd in downtown Atlanta. I would not suggest OC in New Orleans... or Phoenix either. It is just not necessary... so why? Sure, you can do it. I bet you nothing would happen... But then again, you dont get to IQ test all the LEO out there. I quess my beef is why even OC, if you have a CCW, and you must have a CCW in PA to OC, why? Other then to create a scene... why? Is causing a furor with Philly LEO really garnering a new light for 2a rights? Seems to me he is making our collective fight harder by being a tool.

Bob... I believe your right, but I am sorry if this insults any LEO here, but you are placing to much optimism into the hiring practices of the City of Philadelphia. Must of these guys failed the longshoreman local test, so they became cops. If they were smarter they would not be working for the city of Philly. LEO are usually bright, energetic and enthusiastic... in other parts of the world, not in Philly. These guys are not going to know EVERY LAW. If they did they would have become a LAWYER and not a patrolman. I am sure there are the scattered few that are on it... this OC character found one that was clearly not. Philly does not hire brains there, they hire braun and attitude for a reason. Leadership gives them the freedom to go out and clean house on the citizens, bad and good. Then the leadership clears the issues their patrolmen create at a later date, with the lawyers if necessary. This is the way they are fighting crime here, by being the baddest gang bangers in town. I work in Philly every day, often with city LEO/FIRE/OEM. I am often humored/frightened at the city LEO.

I personally think OC is great, done it myself while living in Ga. Does not cause much of an issue in most places. I had one suburban mommy give me the evil eye at a filing station once, but it could have been because I was checking out her caboose and she caught me, but it might not have been. The issue I have with EXPRESSING your right to OC is the choice of local, why in Philly? The answer is clearly to provoke a scene. I still say he could have achieved more education with the LEO if he had met with them first. In a high crime environment, which is already using stop and search techniques, why would you even want to put yourself in that situation. How about the basic concept of widsom. As a CCW permit holder you are taught to show restraint, judgement and patience. Provoking a OC encounter flies in the face of those concepts. Not wise... I would not go to a Lilith Fair festival and scream I hate women.... It would be expressing my first amendment right, but not wise.

Being shot for an expression of your rights, seems a little extreme to me "Tell that to all the people in the military and the people who died in fighting to found the USA. I think they would disagree. " Please understand that I believe there is a difference between expressing your rights and fighting for your rights. This is not fighting for your rights, this is provoking a scene where it is not needed. He could have simply walked into the local precinct and explained that he is going to OC, the locals would have know what is going on and whammo.... "No Mam, we are not going to come out to see the man with the gun, it is holstered and that is legal."

Baba... I am all for protest, peaceful and not. And I dont this is totally unneccessary, I questions this guys motives and judgment. And the problem is cops nowadays are over worked, under paid and stretched thin. He could have been shot, and it would have ruined more then just one life. Being shot for an expression of your rights, seems a little extreme to me.

I am still amazed that 2a committed folks still think OC is a good idea in certain areas. This is a form of protest and a full expression on ones rights, and the police are not always the ones that need education. But local granny seeing someone walking down the street strapped is going to call the cops. And that cop is going to question you with little to no compassion for the expression of your rights at that moment BECAUSE he would prefer not to have holes created in him. You have the RIGHT by law to OC, other people have the right to call LEO and report you. Yes these cops acted in a less then copacetic way, but you have a person, strapped, ignoring your commands. These cops dont know if this guy is just expressing his rights, or experiencing some sort of zombie invasion fantasy. Same thing is going to happen with a man with a knife. These guys have no idea what the OC subject is doing. Would a cop in Atlanta, St Louis, San Francisco or Seatle have acted the same way, prob not a impolitely. But that is the beauty of the northeast, our collective ability to be use the F bomb while attempting to be polite. Go practice your OC rights out west, ranches, farms, hunting prop, boats , what ever..... Lansdale? NE Philly? It is just provocative, confrontational, dangerous, irresponsible, self-centered and down right stupid.

Here we go.... $20 and join the RWVA and you are in fully at the CMP. From the RWVA FAQ: Does coming to an Appleseed shoot qualify as the marksmanship activity I need in order to obtain a CMP M1 Garand or 1903A3 rifle? Yes. So, if you'd like to get a real piece of history, while at the same time learning to shoot it, sign up for an Appleseed shoot. While you're at it, sign up for a $20 associate RWVA membership to support Appleseed (and meet the CMP-club membership requirement).

I dont think you have to be a member of the club if you get the RWVA cert. But I have not gone through CMP with it yet, so I am admittedly fuzzy on details. I will do some research.

NRA? Maybe. Dont know for certain.

Very nice acquisition. I always liked and never owned. I found the frame size to be to deep for my finger reach, but everyone that I know that owns them LOVES them. Good for you.