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Walmart is so sad... a true American story brought down by socialist lawyers and policies and ownerships capitalist greed.

PK is spot on here... and some towns opt not to follow the guidelines. For us in towns that do opt to follow the guidelines, we have to play along. The ONLY question is the REQUIREMENT of notarization. Problem is, can people or organizations that give out forms request notarization on anything they want? Can an employer ask that you get your employment application notarized, what about a cell phone contract? Where is the line?

Just another reason why Walmart sucks it. They usually place stores in towns or areas dying for jobs, so they often times find reasons to can longer term employees to replace with lower paid ones that are all dying to work there. They treat their employees like whale poop, their stores are usually unsafe and filled with the dregs of society. I would not mind seeing them go away.

I was just shopping on Midway myself. Mag for G20.... looked at sights for G19.... looked at a drawer safe box for handgun. Hmmm.... knives are always nice to throw in.

why not size the screw to the barrel depth .10mm short of exact?

Mike4... In regards to my plans for the store in Cherry Hill, I did look into Collingswood but the demographic there is not very gun/hunter friendly, the shoppers were plentiful but the location was much to close to Camden for my liking. I still think about this a good bit at times, and may one day do it. I hope NY gets it done...

Troll Go Away.... Loved the G19 comment and laughter.

+1 to the video and hearing from Mr Aitken in his own words. And your right, I am not a Tea Party member so I was not in attendance.

Hey Mark and Anthony, Sorry for our draconian gun laws here in NJ. But this might be the time where you think hard on the description of "You cant fix stupid." Gerry

Tony.... being a lefty sometimes me choices are limited. I had a fobus kydex paddle holster for a CZP01 and used it during IDPA matches. Never had an issue... until that one time. Nothing cracks up a room of shooters more then watching a guy try to get the holster off his gun instead of taking on targets. Priceless. Get a belt holster.

Lucy Pinder was at Shot? If you could guarantee her presence next year I am IN! Hopefully....

Kwadz... I really want to know if they will send it to a husband of a wife???? Please let us know if you get a form or not. If not.... hmmmm????????????????

My wife and I have both spoken with Det Sgt Vitarelli, he has told me that that new Chief is the one requiring the forms to be "Notarized" to insure validity. It states that "people" were not being truthful with the reference letters and were signing them themselves. My BS meter went off at that comment but oh well. I applied for three permits. I have a problem in that my one reference lost the forms and did not tell me, so that is why I am having a delay. Your references can get the forms notarized at their bank, a service most big banks provide for account holders. McBethr... thats funny. The used to feel the same way about me also. DiChurchio retired by the way, and he and I used to talk handguns and shotguns all the time. He was a funny guy. I hope I can build the same kind of rapport with Det Sgt Vitarelli.

ok.. my bad reallying on a direct quote from the article. I am more abut the search and seizure and the trial anyway. I can only hope something comes out of this positive for gun owners in NJ. We shall see one day.

hmm... I can tinker, but sometimes get the big fail. Have been known to work on olders cars with some success. Used to maintain a pair of SCCA 240Zs. Can work on guns, but am not a machinist. More comfortable with handguns and shotguns. For some reasons rifles flumux me. I can build but am better at rough frame then finish work. I am a lefty and lefty carpenters suck. At work, computers and high tech geospatial technology, remote sensing and satellite imagery.

BRaptor... You are probably spot on. But a man can dream that one day someone in this state will actually stand up and be a friggin man.

gimmemym1... that would be great. Thanks.

Good selection. No matter how much flatuence you will get from the 1911 crowd, the M9 is a fantastic handgun and has served our forces well for 25 years now. Any 92 stlye mag will work. Sometimes you can find surplus mags for cheap. Taurus 92 mags work also if you ever run across them, they are made by Mecgar also like the original mags. I have seen Korean 92 surplus mags before for $5 a mag. They worked GREAT in my Taurus that I had and regret selling. Now, go get yourself a M12 model holster for it and your ready to go.

Blog talk Radio looks good. Grabtheapple is really slow. I lurk here alot (http://www.survivalistboards.com/)

And the only words to say to LEO is "No you may not, repeat NOT search my car." and my favorite "I would like my lawyer prersent".

All, Brian's case might end up being more influential then we realize. His case comes back to the basic lack of repsect the US Constitution gets in the state. No miranda rights? Illegal search and seizure? Overzealous judiciary? Cruel and Illegal punishments. I doubt he becomes the poster boy for gun rights in NJ, but dont throw the baby out with the bath water here. He might, and if he actually has the drive, become the poster boy for change in how this state operates. I seriously doubt it, but monkeys might fly out of my butt one day. Hey, it was snowing in the Gulf of Mexico yesterday right???????

My god... this country is doomed. What in the F are we teaching people nowadays. And what I am really talking about is values, personal values and community. I am going to brain dump here... lets hope I stay focused. According to the author we can shoot things, just not if we mean to kill them. We can use power, but not too much power. (Someone go ask Bush 41 how that worked out in reagrds to Irag for the USA). We can own tools, just not use tools. And if that proverbial jawbone goes out and crushes a nut all by itself, well he will be there to tell you, "I told you so". At what point in time did we begin to teach Ninny as a major in universities. Was it during the Clinton years, because if it was I am going to rip my own brain stem out and burn it for voting for him. There is the whole Churchill qoute of "If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain." concept and there is alot of truth behind it, taxes and responsibility shake much of your foundation as you pass into middle age. But the one thing we have to do as a nation is GROW THE F' UP. There are a billion people out there that want us dead. I am not talking just the USA's enemies, now we have disenfranchised citizens, gang members feeling stronger daily, mobsters looking at this recession as a business opportunity, illegal aliens, physchos. What have you. There are people in this world that want to do you harm, and you dont know when you are going to run into them or if you are ever going to. And the Ninnies that just feel that legislating for our safety will effectivley end those threats are dellusional and dreaming. I put forth that there are two big concerns I deal with in my career, the use of a WMD or small dirty bomb scenario and a school massacre like in Beslan Russia. And I tell people this in presentations, papers and discussions weekly, it is not a question of IF it will happen, it is a question of when and where. We have intelligence on these items that plans are available. Strategies have been created by people that hate us. A few minor attempts have already been thwarted. People still seem utterly blown away by this concept, and these are people that should be in the know. But the comfortbale mindset we manage to get ourselves into in the USA, nobody will screw with us here, with the addition of the liberal media blissninny speech is absolutely creating a culture of victims. Who does the bully pick on in school, the pacifist, the kid that does not know how to fight back. Who does the terrorist look to kill to intimidate governments and media, women and children, the ones least likely to fight back. So, if we create a country of government created pacifists, who is going to be there for us when the time comes? LEO, to busy doing a great job solving the crimes that are committed. Military, do you mean the guys that will be ordered to protect the governing elite, leaving the people/serfs to fend for themselves. Please see the Civil War for examples of protection given the common citizen during times of strife. Ugh... I swear when the S does HTF, I hope I have the opportunity to point out every libtard I can and use them as fodder or human shields, because that is all they are going to be good for. These people, bliss ninny metro progressive lnteigencia, or whatever they are now, have go to face the paradox that protecting fundamental freedoms sometimes involves breaching certain freedoms. This may not sound right so let me try again... You as a libtard dont have to like it that I posses a gun that holds more then 15rds. I dont like it that you posses a mouth that can utter more then 15 words a minute of nonsense. That does not mean i have the right to shut you up. Nor do you have the right to take my gun. There... fair is fair. I might be on to something there. This may be a suprise to some, but I am, fundamentally a lberal romantic, I believe in the heroism of the individual citizen. I think we need to looking at our culture as needing a maturity lesson. I thought 9/11 was it. I approve of liberality in the young, but lament the bashing or condemnation of pragmatism that is necessary in later years. Soapbox dismount.... and ..... he lands it. I hope I get at least an 8 from the Russian judge.

Those 870 SF are lasers on upland game. I had one in 12g and a 1100sf in 20 for quail. They are only gone because I am more comfortable with my Sweet16 and the mossberg pumps.

Good info Parker. By the way, everyime I see you avatar I stop short. I lost both my English Setters this past summer, one to cancer the other to a vehicle accident, and that picture makes my heart hurt, yet I smile also because they were such great animals. Trying to find a new dog currently. Not as easy as it was when I was younger because I have pickier needs.

All, I thought this thread might help some folks with shotgun fit, which is the most important aspect to shooting a shotgun accurately. And what I mean is on flying objects, not slugs with a scope or tac guns that people tend to aim or use electronic aming aids. This pertains to wingshooting mostly. Much of this info is "borrowed" from other forums (shotgunworld or thr) or books and this is where I learned about shotgun shooting. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Shotgun fit is determined by several things but the first consideration is what type of shooting you will do. A trap gun is setup different then a skeet gun, which is set up differently than a sporting clay gun. An example is that a dedicated trap shotgun is set for a premounted stance, is designed to shoot high for the rising, going away targets and usually has a wide, tall rib. 1) Make sure that the shotgun butt fits your shoulder. As much of the butt pad should fit in the pocket formed where your shoulder meets your chest. You must get the stock down onto your shoulder pit and your head must be upright, not canted over the stock. Two things can be done, adjustable butt pad and or an adjustable comb, or use a stock with a Monte Carlo stock. 2) A good test is to look down the barrel. If you see more of one side of the rib or barrel or too much rib between the beads then you are tilting the gun right or left and or canting the gun front or back. You can adjust the cant or the tilt of the gun by angling the cut of the stock, by bending the stock, or with an adj butt pad you can tilt the pad to align the sight plane. This is gunsmith work. 3) Now you need to find out how your head meets the stock and check you LOP (length of pull). Adjusting the length of pull by adding spacers or a longer recoil pad or removing stock material or adding a shorter recoil pad. Now LOP is different for eveyone. You want a LOP that generally positions your face about 2-3" from the back of the receiver of your gun. Close your eyes, and mount the gun; a good LOP will allow you the 2-3" plus a relaxed arm on the foregrip without having to stretch that arm out, repeat about 10 times to check you arms are relaxed. A stretched fore arm can affect both your mount and your swing. 4)Cast of Stock affects the left-to-right view of your mount. Try this, mount your gun with closed eyes then open both eyes and check your sight picture with your shooting eye. Once again do this 10 times to assure your doing it right. If you mount the gun and youre not looking straight down the rib you will need to make (positive or negative)cast adjustment to your stock. This entails twisting the stock a little left or right so that your shooting eye is over the barrel plain so that you dont twist your head to view your target. 5) Then there is stock drop which affects the up and down view of your mount and point of aim. The stcok comb or top edge of the stock is what typically affects drop. A higher comb pushes the muzzle of the gun up, while a lower comb or standard stock lowers the muzzle. Try the closed eye mount 10 more times and this should tell you how your drop looks. If you see the top of the rib when you open your eyes then your comb is a too high. If you see the back of the rib after you mount, and you can not see the rib directly over the muzzle or only the top portion of the bead, then your comb is too low. Drop is easily fixed with a new Monte Carlo stock, an adjustable comb with spacers or even neoprene pads that stick to your stock. For a very intersting read on the the process of getting your shotgun fitted, review this article I kept from a corpus Christi, Texas newspaper. Imagine this running in the Trentonian, Inquirer or Star-Ledger. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Anybody who thinks a new shotgun might be the answer for shooting woes is ... absolutely right. It's a fitting answer to a fitting subject based on the fact that some shotguns naturally fit some shooters better than others. What every wingshooter needs is a shotgun that comes naturally and comfortably to the shooter's shoulder so that the shooter's eyes are looking straight down the top of the barrel, picture perfect every time. The problem is that many standard, off-the-shelf shotguns are designed to the dimensions of an "average" right-handed shooter who is 5-foot-9, weighs 165 pounds, has a 33-inch arm length and wears a size 40-regular suit. That leaves out most men over 40, many women and children and all lefties. Everyone, of course, would love to have a custom-fitted, custom-made Purdy from old England. Getting one, however, would require a two-year wait and the cost of a couple Corvettes. A custom-fitted Beretta by Orvis would get the price down to four digits, but that was still too expensive for my budget. Then I talked to Col. Tom Hanzel, former coach of national champion skeet teams at Trinity University in San Antonio and an expert shooting instructor. "Every now and then I run into an individual who can handle a standard shotgun, but it's about one out of 100," Hanzel said, noting that proper fit was a "necessity" for maximizing shooting skill. But the coach also said getting a fitted shotgun was not expensive. In many cases, a gunsmith could adjust a standard shotgun to fit a shooter for as little as $50 to $60 (such as at the Texas Gun Shop in Corpus Christi). I remembered Hanzel's words when I met gunsmith John Smyrl, who did fitting work for South Texas shooters before departing this earthly plane a couple of years ago. For his work, the gunsmith used what is called a "try gun" with a special butt stock that can be adjusted in numerous ways to fit any shooter. Once the try gun fits, the measurements are duplicated on the shooter's own shotgun, often at minimal costs. Often, a skilled gunsmith can spot the most common problems of shotgun fit by simply eyeballing a shooter holding a shotgun in a shooting position. My suggestion to Smyrl was a before-and-after test, using my own shotgun, to see if there was enough difference in fit to make a difference. I produced an older model but standard Remington 870 pump gun in 12 gauge. As a simple eyeball test, Smyrl had me repeatedly mount the shotgun to my shoulder while he stood at the barrel end and checked the position of my eyes in relation to the top of the barrel. "I can tell you right now that this gun doesn't fit you worth a darn, but let's take it out to the range and see how you shoot it," he said. We did. Since my focus was on dove hunting, we set up on a skeet range to try shooting clay birds on various crossing angles. To better judge the fit of my shotgun, Smryl suggested I not shoulder it until a "bird" suddenly appeared. I broke 13 of the first 25 birds and 15 of the next 25, for a total of 28 out of 50. That was better than I expected, but nothing to brag about. Smyrl made little comment until the final shot was fired, then he got down to the basics of shotgun fit. The measurements that count most, he said, are "cast," "length of pull" and "drop of comb." Cast is the measurement of how the centerline of the stock fits to the centerline of the receiver. As the stock varies off the centerline to the left or to the right, it is said to be either "cast on" or "cast off." Many standard shotguns have a slight cast off for right-handed shooters, which can be a disadvantage for southpaws. Smyrl said many shooters could benefit from a cast that centers their eyes on a shotgun's sighting rib. Length of pull is the measurement of distance between the butt of the shotgun's stock and the trigger. For a simple test of length of pull, Smyrl said a shooter can bend his or her shooting arm into a right angle at the elbow with the palm open and flat. Then, place the butt of the shotgun against the crook of the elbow, with the receiver flat against the palm. If the shotgun trigger falls about the first joint of the index finger, the length of pull is about right. Drop of comb is the distance which the comb section of the stock just behind the grip drops below the top of the receiver. Since the shooter anchors his or her cheek to the stock behind the comb, the drop determines the level of the eye to the top of the receiver. "The problem with your shotgun," Smyrl said, "is that there's too much drop in the stock. It's too low for you, but that's common for a lot of shooters. "When you get your cheekbone down on the stock, you're seeing too much of the back of the receiver. So when you shoot, you are lifting your cheek off the stock to see the target better, and you're shooting high," he explained. So custom fitting my shotgun amounted mostly to adjusting drop of comb, a simple task of slightly bending metal at the back of the receiver. Back at the skeet range, I shot worse than ever, breaking only 9 of 25 birds, while eliciting a few chuckles from the gunsmith. "Look," he said, "you're shotgun fits right, but you haven't changed your old habit of lifting up your head when you shoot, which puts you way off target now. I want you to plant your cheekbone on that stock and concentrate on keeping it there." I broke 38 of the next 50 birds. Some misses came when I lifted my head, but I wasn't complaining. The difference between my "before" score of 28 out of 50 and the "after" score of 38 out of 50 represented an improvement of about 35 percent. _________________ If you want to get your gun fitted, I know two places you can go to in NJ. I am sure there are more but these are the two I know. Griffin and Howe in Bernardsville, NJ Way it Was Shooting in Moorestown, NJ *I can recomend Way it Was personally.