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Maks ... how dare you. No one at CZ has ever said "Because you suck and we hate you!"... that I know of. Good catch... I did not notice. Pass.

"... but you f$%^ one goat!"

I really wanted to like this gun, but after reading some more it just is an overhyped, branding exercise. I have some major issues with this gun. 1) Ruger integral mounts are 34mm and not many suppliers makes rings for them. You have to go to an adapter to use 33mm rings. This is unnessary. 2) The mag issue. If they want you to use this gun as a SHTF firearm, you dont want to have to buy 10 $70 mags. You also would like the idea of maybe picking up a found mag at sometime and using it. In a SHTF scenario it would be realistic the run into someone with FAL, G3, ar10 or M1a mags... but AI mags? 3) It is at least a .5 pound to heavy without ammo or glass. So now your looking at a 9+ pound rifle. 4) Polished bolt... I dont like sun ray catching parts on my stealth gun. 5) No second sling stud in front for a bipod? Ok, I like to shoot off a pack anyway, but this would bother me if I was a bipod user. I do like that the oh to heavy laminated stock id LOP adjustable with spacers. The only thing this has on a Savage Scout is the removable mag and the flash suppresor. The Savage is still the better buy at 50% the cost.

copout... thats just horsecrap. They want people to buy their $70 Ruger Mags and not less expensive mags. What Ruger does not get is that if they made it take cheap mags... the gun would be much more popular then it will be with these mags as designed and therefore profitable.

+1 halbautomatisch

If Ruger did design it around the AI mags that is a real insult. Sometimes these people do things that just dont make any sense. Why not use AR10 mags at least... Fal or G3 mags would have really worked out nice. I mean a scout gun is a not supposed to be a high ticket platform. That is why Steyr screwed the idea up so much with the high price of their initial offering. A scout rifle does not need to be a 1000m capable sniper rifle. It is an observation/defense weapon. I just dont get it. ShopRuger.com has the 5rd mags for $65 and 10Rds for $70.

jeez.. times have changed. That is what I paid for my dou-tone CZ85 combat... then again that was 12 years ago.

Paul... I think this might be an example.

+1 Melga

to the top of Gun Purchase List for 2011.... er I mean 2012.... C'mon... 2013 That is great. I usually do not go for futuristic looks, but I think I might have to go get some Halo type armor for that shotgun. I have been waiting for someone to come out with the next big idea for shotguns. Benelli tried with the stock/receiver being one unit, not really ground breaking but ok. This idea from Kel Tec is groundbreaking. Very innovative and I can only hope it is simplistic and uber reliable.

It is prob the new M77 Gunsite .308 Scout gun. I hate to say it, but I want one. http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Gunsite.htm It reminds me of the Spanish FR8. I have been looking for a nice version of that gun for years now since I passed on a good looking one at a gunshow in Ga about 15 years ago.

S&W Model 29 6"! That way when she does not like it, you can take it and then go buy her another gun to try... Like a Desert Eagle. Repeat process until... whenever.

Good job. That crap is a pain and the only reason I would ever buy a Mac is to avoid these type of issues. Otherwise I will stay with my pain in the a** yet perfectly not metrosexual, effiminate and "oh so creative" Windows machine. :D I do recommend Robs609 answer "download malwarebytes , ccleaner , and auslogics disk defrag. Install and run in that order. All are free. " I have done this a few times. I think my wife keeps going to "bad sites" on my compputer.

Mals.... TAA = Tactical Asseet Allocation? company, forum, club, think tank????

OK... Mossberg does not have a dating system that I know of, I thought it did but I can not find anything. But you can sometimes figure out what decade at least and what type of store sold it. Such as I have a 500 AB, that is a Model 500 in 12g sold from a discount store (B). These are usually not as nicely finshed guns as the ones shipped to dealers. I also have 500 ABR, this is a 12g, discount store, but deluxe model menaing it came with some sort of special package or was a special run. Both of mine have scalloped receivers. Showing these to be pre 1985 guns. Now I got one from Lousiana and one from Conn. The La gun was probably purchased from Kmart and was a 28" field gun originally and it know has a 18" fire bead barrel on it. The other is a Rifle Sighted 22" 12g smooth bore and is the ABR, a deluxe offering from KMART in the early 1980s.

I have two like that also. both mine were early '80s guns. One is ex-LE, the other is a field model. I believe if your gun does not have a serial number it is from the mid 60s. Post the serial number... first 4 digits only should do.

You know what.... I missed that also. Since I dont shoot muzzleloader I never even looked at that line closely. MY BAD!!! You are good to shoot slugs or buck at WMA Ranges that have muzzleloader ranges. Thank you jOn. Love your avatar by the way.

Sorry... it pissed me off also. Used to not be a problem http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/ranges.htm TRAINING AREA REGULATIONS All WMA regulations apply. At least one (1) member of the shooting party must have a current, valid New Jersey hunting license in possession. Shotgun is for fine shot (lead-free at Assunpink; smaller than No. 4 lead or No. T steel ammunition) only. NO BUCKSHOT OR RIFLED SLUGS Archery is for target or practice tips only - No broadheads. Muzzleloader is for muzzleloading firearms, shotguns with rifled slugs or buckshot and modern .22 caliber rimfire rifles only. No handguns or centerfire rifles permitted. Hours are 8:00 a.m. - sunset (except Black River WMA, see below)

I got my Streamlight TLR1 and Troy Industries Single Point Sling in the mail yesterday. I think that was a 4 day turn around! Great service. I will order from you again.

Look to the WMA Ranges. Though nothing larger then #4s. Then it is just you, your shotgun and a ton of patterning paper. By the way, packing paper you get in a box from Home Depot will work also if is is 36x36 at least. NORTHERN REGION Hunterdon County Clinton WMA Route 173W Clinton Shotgun, Archery, Muzzleloader (100 yards) NOTE: Clinton Rifle Range is Closed From 9-11am First & Third Thursdays of Every Month Morris County Black River WMA Route 513 (Dover-Chester Road) Chester Shotgun, Archery Note: Closed weekends from the third Saturday in May through the Sunday of Labor Day Weekend, as well as on the Christmas and Easter holidays. Operating hours are 9 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. during this summer period, and 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. for the rest of the year. Hunter education classes will continue to be held at the range and will not be affected by these hours. Sussex County Flatbrook-Roy WMA Route 615 Layton Shotgun, Archery, Muzzleloader (75 yards) Warren County Pequest WMA Pequest Road Oxford Archery CENTRAL REGION Monmouth County Assunpink WMA Imlaystown-Hightstown Road Upper Freehold Twp. Shotgun (lead-free shot only), Archery Turkey Swamp Georgia Road Freehold Twp. *special regulations apply call 908-842-4000 Archery Ocean County Colliers Mills WMA Off Colliers Mills and Hawkins Roads Colliers Mills Archery, Muzzleloader (50 and 100 yards) SHOTGUN RANGE CLOSED Stafford Forge WMA Off Route 539 south of Warren Grove Little Egg Harbor Twp. Shotgun, Archery, Muzzleloader (100 yards) SOUTHERN REGION Atlantic County Makepeace Lake WMA Elmwood-Weymouth Road Weymouth Shotgun, Archery, Muzzleloader (50 yards) Gloucester County Winslow WMA Piney Hollow Road Monroe Twp. Archery (50 yards) SHOTGUN and MUZZLELOADER RANGES CLOSED Cape May County Tuckahoe WMA Off Tuckahoe Road (Route 631) Tuckahoe Archery SHOTGUN RANGE CLOSED Cumberland County Millville WMA Ackley Road (Route 718) Millville Shotgun, Archery, Muzzleloader (100 yards)

I have owned two Taurus guns, and both worked very well. But then again, they were PT92s, a proven, reliable and well engineered design. I have always shied away from their other products. But then again, I am guilty of owning 2 Walther P22s and 2 Walther P99s. All four were unreliable... all. Not good for a $350 .22 nor a $600+ 9mm. Walther has now earned my everlasting derisiom. If someone should ever point a Walther at me I will know I am safe. If they point a Taurus at me I will look closely at the model before starting my prayers.

Did you go do a BMW factory tour while there? I did it about 10 years ago and had a great time. I am not a big BMW fan, but I was able to see some of the BMW art car collection. That was a cool visit.

I think there is a good bunch of SJ members (SJZED TEAM!) watching how this plays out.

jersey_emt, Great find for $150. The wood stocked Mossbergs with 18.5" barrel make a great HD, first shotgun. A suggestion. Take you Mossberg and get a bundle of ammo, some #9 birdshot, some #6, #4, and some 00 and 000 buck rounds. Different boxes of each. Then a roll of butcher paper or pieces of cardboard. Take a red marker and draw a 1" dot in the middle of each. Then with a 18" piece of string tied to the marker, hold the end of the string in the middle of the dot, then make a circle around the dot, resulting in a 36" circumfrence circle, about the width of a, average zombie. Shoot a load from about 10 paces (30') into the target. Check your pattern or the dispersion of the shot in the circle for number inside the circle at that distance, also where it lands in the circle. Did the shot mostly impact high or low, left or right of point of aim. Every shotgun is different with every load. Make notes on each target, range, manufacturer, shot size and results. Repeat at 20 yards. Get to know your shotgun. Now do that many times on each shell. Try to find the most consistent shot type and manufac for your shotgun. I have a 20" Moss that likes Hornady 000, it does not like Rem 000 as much though it shoots it fine, just low. It does not like birdshot much, patterns are very tight and high at 10 yards. Buy ammo. Shoot ammo. Repeat. Have fun.

Recessed... I think you should re-evaluate your thinking on never buying a used LE firearm. The majority of LE firearms get used MAYBE for annual qualifications, some light range time and then get holstered and locked up. I have owned many ex-le guns and they were all of the this desciption "holtered often... fired little." Many had carry wear and not wear inside the slide, barrel and mechs. Heck, one Beretta 92C I got from the Marietta, Ga PD still had some filings and factory grease in the mech. I dont think it was ever shot! It is not like cops go around practicing with their shotguns all that much. You can sometimes get used Rem 870 PD guns (these are the cream of the 870 model, all steel triggers, guards and hd heavy barrel) for a $300 versus $700 for a NIB, and the new ones are not as good as the old ones. My suggestion... take it for what it is.