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Hmmm.... I want this, and I want it bad. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct883.aspx The question is if this is ATF classified as a pistol does this negate the folding stock (permanetly fixed closed) issue with NJ. Next would be getting the mags shipped to someone in Pa to pin. what is everyone judgment? I want this as I really want a 7.62x25 carbine.

Hmm... I have never been to County Sports... I will keep my eye out. Where in SJ are you located. Are you looking to try some guns out, if so maybe we could setup a SJ shoot and you could try some different guns out. Butch's in Vineland is the best shop in South Jersey. Great selection of everything... it can be crowded though. Bob's is ok, ok selection of handguns and good selction of long guns. I find their prices to be high. Tips Hardware had a good selction, but I also found them to be very high. The best service you can get in SJ is through Paul (PPk90) and his site (http://www.arms-n-ammo.com/). If you are not sure what you want... go handgun shopping at Cheyenne, Bob's or even Butchs. Then contact Paul for a price. He is great to do work with.

Ok, Most people have seen how I have been working here in WV since April 5th, I have about another 10 days to go. So while here I have had some really fun shooting. I did the Appleseed Shoot two weekends ago and then some of the guys I met there asked me to join them at the Beckley Gun Club for Pistol Sunday, three matches consisting of a Tyro NRA Match, a Steel Plate Shoot and a TSA Air Marshall Qualifier Match. Well considering it was that or sit around my hotel room watching NBA playoffs... well I was there about 20 minutes early. I only had my SIG P6 with me, not the best gun for extended combat shooting, but not the worst. At least the gun is very accurate. Well the Tyro course is three 8 shot string, large silhoettes at 10 yards. Point are added up and all strings must be completed in specified times, from holster. I ended up shooting all the targets accurately and made the times. I did not shoot as accurately as some though and ended up tied for 4th from 12 total shooters. Some of these guys can shoot, The plate match was fun also... 10, 15, 20 and 25 yards... 6 shots a string. I shot 33 out of 48 plates... took 5th out of 12. I suck at 25 yards with this gun... not a plate shooter. But up close, at 10yards I did clear all 12. The fun part of this was watching the two guys shoot their Tokarevs in 7.62x25. Jeez I need to get one of these.. or two. The report is very loud and when they hot their was no questions the plates were going down. Even when they missed, the roster tails in the dirt berm were enormous. about 4' high compared to 1' for the 9mm. I got to shoot some rounds from one, nice slim design, horrible ergonomics for a lefty, recoil was suprisingly light, sights were less then helpful though. And boy did those plates fall. Fun stuff. The final match was run by a couple of instructors at Firearms Reseach Institute (F-R-I.com) and they run a Non Official TSA Air Marshall Qualifier course for students. Now, as I was told this course of fire is no longer TSA's recomended qualifier because they never got less then 92% fail rate. So they altered the course and made it easier... hmmmm. So this course entails alot of drawing from holster @ 7rds, shoot in less then 1.2 seconds or double tap from low ready in less then 1.5 seconds, spin from holster 1 shot left target one shot center target in less then 3.0 seconds... stuff like that. 13 stages. Total shooting time allowed is 33.8 seconds. And more then 5 shots outside the FBI QT target is a disqualification. Well I am proud to say I never missed the target... but I also took 9 sconds too long. I only managed to make it in time on 4 stages. My main issue was my unfamiliarity, in a speed envronment, with my P6. I might have done better with my G19... but not much better. Lessons learned.... always bring your favorite gun and learn to shoot it, handle it, reload it, empty it, failure drills etc etc etc. Accuracy counts... but speed is necessary. Practice more. I need to shoot more combat classes or comps. RWS makes good 9mm ammo... you can get it at WalMart in Pa for $12 or so a box... good stuff. All in all it was great fun. And once again the BGC is absolutley one of the nicest ranges I have ever seen... just a great place.

Ha... I know both the guys in this story. I have worked a couple of fruitless real estate deals with Shackleford for clients he represents and Chaifetz is a local pain in the ass here in Cherry Hill. This is funny stuff in my opinion. Chaifetz is the guy that started the whole pheasant gate drama about 5 years ago within the state. (http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/forum130.htm) I will take Shackleford's side on this, even though he is a bit of JO himself.... And I am sorry, but if god did not want us to eat animals he would not have made them taste so good.

This will never happen... it takes 2/3 of senate to pass treaties. And even if this whole Dem backed senate voted for it, the GOP would never vote for this. This is a political move to appease the Bradies and far left. It will never leave committee or will be pulled by Barry before he gets egg on his face. This has less of a chance of passing then I do of banging Selma Hayek.

yupier... Your actually buying a surplus or turned in gun used by the Zurich Police until the recently upgraded their weapons. These are slight used, rarely shot and carried alot in a holster condition. This mean the finish might not be perfect.. or far from it, but the internals are probably as close to New In Box as possible. Read the description on the page. I have a SIG P6 which was a W. German Police trade in... outside is maybe 85%, but inside was near perfect.... until I got it. These are great deals and Top Gun is a fantastic supplier.

better then throwing rocks... I always wanted a p22 as a small carry option, but their unreliable nature and bizare to me manual of arms ruled them out after two failed attempts.

Maks... no let me clarify. The AQT targets they use have siloheuttes that simluate a mans chest/head region at 300 yards, when the target is staked at 25 yards. So there is a target about 4 inches across for 100, 3 inches for 200, 2 inches for 300 and 1 inch for 400... rough measurements. I did shoot steel plates at 200... by Sunday afternoon I could hit 10 of 10.. bang......... ping. Just a blast and for anyone .... anyone that though they could shoot a rifle and because you can hit a pie plate at 100yds or you are proficient at 400 I highly recomend attending one. Totally non stressfull, very fun and for $70 for two days hands one instruction, it was fantastic.

oh yea... by the way the people that I met there were some of the nicest, most helpful, patient and genuine individuals I have met in a long time. Seriously nice folks. Made it so much nicer.

All, Went to an Applesees Shoot at the wonderful, Beckley Gun Club in Beckley WV today. WOW!!! First off the range was fatnastic... an old coal strip mine that was reclaimed and rented to the club in the early 1990s. They have 600 ACRES!!!! It was an adventure just getting into the ranges, about a mile gravel/dirt road around and down the mountain in the valley. The range was 500 yards, and they are considering putting a 1000 yard gong on the other valley side wall. Just beautiful... and only $110 dollars a year. Rifle, pistol, steel plate, shotgun, fishing lake and a tactical training area they call Mainstreet that had some shacks and facades built. So to keep this short or I could go on all night, I suck with irons. We were shooting at 25yds and I would score a 45 on the standing, a 35+ on the sitting, but would fall apart on the 300 and 400 prone sections. Tightened my groups significantly when I figured out to control my breathing better... my big stomach was moving me around as I took breaths. So today, Sunday I shot my top score of 171 which gets me Sharpshooter but falls short of the 210 needed for Expert Rifleman. Personally I think I could be more accurate with finer sights on my 597. Plus, I ran out of Federal and switched to Win Dynapoints which induced about 1 failure per mag. Not fun... GSG loves the Dynapoints,.... oh well. But the BEST part was the competition at the end... 8rds out of a Garand... 5 warmups and 3 scores on a 300 yard 20" plate. I hit it 5 times in a row... proving to myself I could shoot... I tied another shooter for best score and we both walked away with prizes. THEN I got to put one round down range at 500 yards with a Steyr HS50 50.BMG. Holy christ... I am half staff just thinking about it again. Absolutley limited kick... like a .308 bolt... but the explosion going on about 2.5 feet in front of your face is just amazing. The concsusion was shocking... like holding a 1/4 stick of dynamite on the end of a golf club at arms length. Just brilliant...... Oh and I nailed that target also..... I rule. I dont suck. (pics added) 1st pic is the range from the firing line. See those tiny little plates... thats is 500yrds, Plan is for a 1000yrd plat on the hill side back beyond those plates. 2nd pic is Kevin, a local attorney from Fayetteville, WV shooting the Steyr .50. No picture of me shooting it. 3rd picture is me shooting Robert, the AS Shoot Boss's Garand. Great camera work by Jermey one of the AS Instructors. Notice spent shell and clip in air. Yes this is the match tieing shot.

no hate for the Ruger from me. I never hate another mans, wife, dog or guns.

Thanks for stepping up Sam, I will be back in town May 6th or so. Civituner wants a tour as well. Send him a PM also.

Hey now... the puker is form Cherry Hill, my town. He could not have done this as everyone down her knows we have such great schools in Cherry Hill, this boy would have known better to act this way. Douche...

Bill, Where do you live in Camden County. If nearby to Cherry Hill / Voorhees I can take you all out to shoot some guns in May. Between myself and some other CC residents we can prob come up with about every pistol you want to shoot. Plus you can go to Hagues in Woodbury area, just off 295 S about 15 minutes from the 295/ rt70 junction and rent about any .45 out there.

damaged... as a fed that is the plan. The whole concept going around in the fed world is Responsibility.... be responsible for yourself and your family. Feds have gotten out of the water, tent and ice business. Why, because retailers do it better... so get them up and running and let the retailers do what they do best. That is why all disaster planning nowadays entails at least $200 cash for a family of four... because that much money will keep that family stocked for 7 days with food, water and essentials. If you look around lately, especially in NJ (and look at No during Katrina) it is not the feds you needs to worry about, but the locals.

"Even though we have factions from the XD and glock camps, we are not xdtalk, or glocktalck. It is all about personal preference. I dont beleive anyone from either camp is going to come out and say that glocks are junk because they are not reliable, or XD's are trash because they are made in Croatia. This is not a hi-point/jennings vs glock/xd/beretta. Any of the ones you mentioned or top notch, reliable handguns, the pissing match is all based on personal preference." Could not agree more.. This is not going to be your last gun... this will most likely be the first of many, the next one will be purchased about 6 to months from now. You will start to figure out what your personal preferences are, what you actually like versus what you THOUGHT you would like. Case in point, I have owned three HiPowers...reportedly the Cadillac of steel, hicap 9mms. I really, really like them, but I dont own one now. Why? I found that I dont really like cocked and locked carry, and I shoot other guns better. Dont know why.. just do. I have owned two Walther P99s... I love the concept, design, controls, size, capacity etc etc about them. Cant shoot them worth a crap... they jump like wildcats in my hands and it makes for horrible follow up shots. I have owned a HK45 Compact... a PERFECT CCW firearm.... I could not hit a man sized target at 10yards with it. My targets looked like a was using buckshot. Go figure. It might take you years to figure out what works, and does not work for you. When you do, you will hang onto it, thats why I have had this G19 for about 10 years... a S&W M19 for about 9. Those are the two constants in my collection. I am currently considering selling a gun or two because they have not solidified themselves in my safe as of yet. I might miss them in the future... I might not. If your anything like me, guns are a source of constant entertainment, figuring out what is good/bad/great... maybe there is something else out there... It's not like a wife... they dont mind if you get another one.

Wow... I never thought I would see a SIG p220 and a Ruger P90 compared let alone the ruger winning out. SIG P220. This is one of the most durable, reliable, accurate, powerful and easy to use handguns ever designed. I am a lefty also and there is no issue whatsoever in using the controls of the SIG. You decock with your trigger finger. It is not a safety...the guns is DA/SA. The trigger is one of the best DA triggers you can find, and the SA is a short, very light pull. The Rugers trigger is not comparable. SIG p220s are know for there accuracy and speed. It weighs a few ounces less, and is about half an inch less in height. But it is a .25 thicker, mainly in the grip panels, which are exterior where the P90s are integrated. The Ruger is a very good gun, very reliable also. But the SIG is on another level. This is not apples to oranges here... this is a Ford f150 stripper to Ford F250 King Ranch comparison. Yea... the F150 will get you places and carry your goods but which would you rather drive?

you know... I had been looking at bolts... Had a FNPBR that I really liked but I am thinking less weight this time. I looked at the Rem 700 SPS and a Tika t-3. Proactive is getting a Savage Precision Carbine soon... I think I will wait to shoot that. If not I think I will go Ptr91 or DSA STG58... always wanted one.

"sniff.... sniff.... new guy.... does not know anything about CZs....." And the CZ sharks start circling!!!! I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recomend CZ products. They are a fantastic design, durable and affordable (well used to be.). The PCR is one of my favorite weapons of all time, but it does not work for me as I am a lefty and want ambi controls usually. Although technically it works the same as a SIG with decock to DA/SA and no safety. I think there might even be one for sale in the marketplace right now from Lunker.

Overt.... Gaston Glock made SO much money while everybody else was playing catchup he has been able to keep his products price down for the last few years. I have seen NIB Glocks gor for between$425 and $600... you just have to look around and not pay the fanboy price. Now... glocks are not my favorite manufacturer, but the G19 is. It is the perfect blend of size, capacity, accuracy, accesories and concealement capability I have found in a combat handgun. My .02. And to be honest... I did not know about the gssf discount. Hmmmm.... maybe a new G4G19 is in my future.... hmmmm

dad walks in... sees what he thinks is a rape/struggle.... runs to get gun. Teen knows father saw him... makes for pants and window..... Father returns with handgun... shoots to kill intruder that is going out the window that he thinks just hurt his little girl. Tragic mistake and sad. How many times a day does something just like this happen to our LEOs... to shoot or not to shoot. I actually think the girl has alot of the reponsibility here, her bf, her bad decision to sneak her bf in, bad decision to engage in sexual activites at her age in her parents home and for not stopping her father ASAP. Just sad.

You know when I was young I would have said I would spend those last minutes spent in a flurry of animalist fornication... but that smoke and beer sounds pretty in my old age. Kick back and watch the pretty colors....

I will pipe in here..... neither. Since the mag limit will pop in here on both pistols they are automatically out of consideration. So is the SW M&P. I would rather go with a compact 9mm or single stack then have a full size weapon with nuetured capacity, that drives me bonkers. See ing your budge of $500 here is my list of possibilities. You can find G19s for $499. That would be my first recomendation. High on the BGFM (Best Gun for Money) scale. You can also find most times on the used market in excellent condition, Browning or FN HPs, Beretta 92 or Taurus 92s, Walther p99s, SIG 226 or 228s. CZ75s can usually be found around $400, CZP01 and PCRs both hold 13rds and can be found for $500 or so. These are all EXCELLENT handguns for great prices. You could also change caliber to .40 or .45 and serve yourself a complete helping of decsion making hell, but 9mm is a great place to start. Heck, I have a SIG P6 single stack 9mm I might be willing to part with to a new shooter for not much. I am sorry but I feel that those three pistols are actually the worst choice for NJ until someone starts to make a 15rd mag for them and I dont see that happening any time soon.

Kpd... I work with FEMA and agree with your assessment of the Katrina Event. As a rule (Stafford Act) FEMA is not allowed to operate in Disaster Recovery Mode until a fed declaration is declared by president (it was before landfall) and asked to help by the Governor of the impacted states. The Miss. Gov (Barbour) and La Gov (Blanco) both had requested fema's assistance before landfall, so FEMA was operating in the area before and after landfall. La Gov screwed the pooch when she and the LaNG leadership refused entry into NewOrleans by ANYONE until Sept 1, except for NO safety and LE personel. Big mistake as they were totally overwhelmed and undermanned. She got bullied by Nagin who wanted the spotlight. He saw himself as the next Guilianni. This event spuured the entire "Post Katrina Emergency Management Reform Act" utilized by DHs today. In regard to the CBRNE (chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and high yield explosives ) threat, what the prez and the DHS/EM community is talking about is a suitcade nuke...10 kilatons is small compared to todays warheads. This is about 50% the power of the bom dropped on Nagasaki (21 kt or 42 Million sticks of dynamite). So what the current plan calls for is local First Responders to go to expolsion site (about 6-10 square blocks in most avg metro cities) and handle initial response. This is what these local guys are now trained for. The fed will handle the out lying areas, controlling traffic, managing the population in fallout and plume areas. Those are the areas that will sustain majority of injuries and deaths over the next days. Especially if the bomb is planted in the just right, most strategic, location taking into account predominant winds, terrain, pop density etc etc. Best plan for people not disintegrated in the initial blast is to shelter in place in as low a spot as possible in your house for 47-96 hours. That would be as much time required for plume and fallout to pass or disapate.

Shane... I drool over DSA Rifles on a weekly basis. I am going on the road today and going to hit a couple gun mongers here in WV. Maybe I will find something here.