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It doesn't beat tube for open standards. Tube radius is all that matters, and it's not proprietary. Most of them use the same backers. As for support, most of the non rail keymod stuff is iwc, which supports the tube styles.

So you really think there is a chance that the military is going to toss out all their rail mounted gear and replace it with key mod anytime soon? Next two years? Five? Ten? What do you think the timeline is? Is it even being evaluated? It is at this point and time 100% for the civilian market. Bitch about hyperbole and you put that up as an argument? As for the bcm handguard, It's going to be thin aluminum magnesium alloy. Many aluminum bearing alloys demonstrate structural weakening at temps you can see under sustained fire. Sheets of about 1mm thickness will burn under a variety of circumstances and temps less than that needed to melt your gas tube. I don't think it would pass the military standards. Then there's galvanic corrosion. Magnesium alloys can be specifically susceptible to it when subjected to ferrous metals and copper deposits as contact anodes/cathodes (I forget which it is). Good thing it won't be near either metal. Oh wait. The bcm handguard has no more place in practical application than my cf handguards. His point was that keymod tubes are lighter than existing add-a-rail solutions. My point was that if you stick with run of the mill aluminum, they are not. No hyperbole. As for tolerance stacking, you will still get it unless you have direct mount accessories. I'm sure the tolerance stacking in a sling mount or a light mount will get you killed in the real world or something. Seriously, what accessory or device will have that feature make or break it? My OPINION is that the main practical purpose is to offer the opportunity to sell a saturated market a new version of the accessories they already bought a buttload of. I'm even fine with that. Cool toys are cool. I do think right now it is overpriced and undersupported. It is possible that can change, I'll let someone else fund that process.

Why? I never said magazine rebuild kits are safe. What I said is you will be stuck mounting an affirmative defense. I would not like to mount an affirmative defense on a rivet. But also take a 15 round factory cz mag. Break a follower leg or grind them down and it will hold 16. Your set of rules are probably more defensible, but they still don't make it safe from being screwed with. Gun owners exist in NJ at their peril. That leaves precedent. We know a dowel jammed in the mag doesn't cut it as sarco got jammed up for that. To the best of my knowledge they haven't gone after the riveting dealers. If the law were as clear cut as you claim, it wouldn't have taken until 2007 to go after sarco.

Here's the truth. The law is worded poorly. Neither owners, police, nor the state know what counts on any given day or at any given moment. Even a 15 round factory .40 mag may reliably feed more than 15 orunds of 9mm into a 9mm handgun. Much like every other NJ law about guns, they do not start from the assumption that you are allowed to exercise your 2a rights. They start form the assumption that you do not, and grant exceptions. You are not allowed ot have any magazine unless they meet the exception of being unable to continuously feed 15 rounds or less into a semi automatic firearm. This means you can be busted for ANY magazine of ANY capacity, and be required to present an affirmative defense. SOme people think that saying you need to tools to alter it is a reasonable defense. Some think that needing tools and spare parts is a reasonable defense. The reality is you are guessing what a judge or jury will see as reasonable. If I were a DA I could argue that anyone in possession of more than one 10 round magazine and a tig welder had constructive intent to fabricate a high capacity magazine. Would the judge or jury buy it? Not being welded up to a second magazine body is a temporary condition. Not having factory designed dimples milled out is a temporary condition. In fact, given the laws of thermodynamics, everything is a temporary condition. The federal AWB was just as poorly written, and the way to deal with that form the BATFE's point of view was to bless designs. THe bushmaster 10 round magazine could easily be converted to 14-15 rounds. With a coping saw, a drill, and some gorilla glue. After the federal AWB sunset, a lot of folks did just that. You could convert to 16 rounds or more, but you'd need to start fabricating parts. The BATFE declared it permanent. Reality declared it temporary. Unlike federal practice, the state law has no process by which to assure a law abiding buyer that they are actually abiding by the law. Not for a 5 round mag, not 7, not 10, and not 15.

Than some calibers, probably not 9mm. Mainly because 9mm +P+ is moving the same bullet at more or less the same velocity. 9mm +P isn't that far behind. The design of the .357 sig doesn't give it much headroom pressure wise. Not ot mention for the same velocity you are jetting more burnt material. On top of that, if your velocity is derived form burning more powder, for the same burn rate, you are burning longer. To get max velocity without going over pressure, you are using longer burning powder, which means your muzzle velocity is hampered by shorter barrels more if you are .357 sig. It's not that it has no actual advantage, jsut that if you want to be able to move from vendor to vendor, .357 sig doesn't reliably outperform 9mm+P.

When you put it that way, my knee jerk reaction is walther. They aren't as big as the other brands, and given how the NJSP bent them over without lube they figure that they are a good size for NJ to push around for politics.

It's stupid, and a load of BS. 1) Most lead for everything but batteries comes from recycled lead, and when I say most, I mean the VAST majority. 2) We aren't shutting down lead recycling. 3) We aren't banning the import of already smelted lead. Lead ammo isn't banned anywhere I am aware of across the board. Where it is banned, it is banned for hunting. Quite possibly given the BS nature of the article, only for specific kinds of hunting. Guess what, NJ would be one of those places. Clearly we can't get lead ammo here and aren't allowed to shoot it for recreational purposes.. what? That's not true.. damn!. Lead shot is banned for hunting waterfowl lots of places, and is likely what they are referring to. For hunting, with the limited rounds expended, evne places that ban lead rifle ammo, it's not like solid copper, or copper with compressed tungsten powder rounds are prohibitively expensive for the task.

I didn't say bipod adapter. I said bipod. I can get a ton that attach to picatinny rail. I didn't say keymnod was a bad idea, I said it was decent engineering, but not something I would spend a premium on right now. Having ONE of something available is not what I consider well supported. Right now there are a TON of rail segments, and you can even buy them. All of two bipod adapters, One that is $40, and one that isn't in stock anywhere I looked for $25. There are theoretically a ton of sling mounts out there, but not widely stocked as inventory, still even in retail inventory there are 6 or 7 options for this key piece of gear since every single keymod rail I have seen comes with sockets built in. Want a loop.. eh not so much available. Want a handstop.. two. Want a gas pedal.. none. Want a foregrip, get in line, it'll arrive eventually. light mounts, I've seen the noveske one in stock and the IWC one (yes, they make the thorntail mount), that is it that I have found. That's a hurdle. I won't spend my money on it. You want to spend your's fine. I think the rail adapters will be plentiful for some time, probably even enough so that they become price competitive. IMO, they have a few obstacles to overcome, and it is being approached well, but it's not there. 1) open spec - passed. 2) Get some good handguards out there - passsed 3) get a LOT of handguards out there - in progress, going well. 4) Get a lot of accessories out there - barely started. 5) get the price down 6) Get it in the hands of a lot of customers I think in terms of accessories, there is another big obstacle that is engineered in. Namely you have to be able to have a clear path for screws to tighten down the keymod "key". So like a low profile base for a micro t-1, or an x300 light? Hader to do. One piece foregrip? Gonna have to put holes in it. Add to that we are headed into a massive glut of black rifle stuff for everythign but ammo, and I think it puts at risk one of the factors that was encouraging rollout, which is the ability to charge a premium for it. Geiselle and noveske charge a premium, Now they have other premium brands in the water with them and a BUTTLOAD of cheaper ones. Having a high margin lets you keep inventory longer without moving it. As fro the brasscatcher, yeah, reload .223 you'll want one. Shoot 6.5 grendel or 6mmx45 or 6.8SPC and you will REALLY want one. IF you want one that works and doesn't interfere with your choice for optics, it has to mount on the side of your handguard to something solid. Myself, I liek the tactical brass recovery one. It lets you clear any stoppages, is very light, and works.

So who makes a keymod light? Offset sights? Keymod microdot? Keymod brass catcher? Keymod bipod? Keymod foregrip? I know of several sling mounts, rail segments, a couple of hand stops. Dunno if there is a gas pedal, and a light mount. Then, for any given item that does exist, is the keymod version cheaper or more expensive? I'm not saying it is stupid, just too overpriced and under supported for my dollar at this point. Then there's the issue of will le sales buy into something that isn't a military standard when a competing, WIDELY adopted, military standard is available?

Also, the bcm rail is a magnesium alloy. If I can't bring up cf, you can't bring up their alloy without proof that it isn't brittle and doesn't catch on fire at lower temps. The idea of potentially putting gas tube melting temps near magnesium alloy doesn't make me feel good.

Yeah, except that a lot of things aren't going keymod direct because it limits your market. So for now, with a few exceptions, you are putting on a keymod rail and attaching picatinny accessories onto that. Other than some sling mounts, and some impact weapons stuff, there's not a ton of accessories yet. IMO it's not worth the price premium yet. Also ask why the premium. It is MUCH cheaper to machine keymod holes than to machine rail. When prices come down? Sure, why not. Right now?

And my 12" carbon fiber tube weighs 5.4 oz, including barrel nut. WIth the rail segments I need, it's still under 6oz. You can think it is about weight, but none of the keymod stuff are kicking the butt of the tubes with bolt on rail segments that just go through slots or holes. The NSR is one of the lgihtest, and with the barrel nut, the 11" rail weighs over 11.1oz. The Troy alpha rail at 11" weighs 10.8. With the old attachment system it weighed even less. Rail segments come with it, and it goes on sale at least once a year for about $130 . Additional segments cost half of what a metal keymod rail segment goes for. The NSR is $250 and comes with a tube and a nut and nothing else. On top of that, it is even skinnier than the aleady skinny troy, to the point that even a lot of women need to slap the clip on scales onto it to make it comfortable to use with a supinated grip. Add more money. I can see why the industry that has too many accessory makers and a pretty saturated market thinks that this could be awesome. Like I said, the only thing 100% truly better is the fact that things attach easily form the outside. So if you want to play black rifle barbie with your gear, that's nice. If you know what you want, it's kind of useless and just costs more.

It looks like they don't want to ship haz-mat to NJ. Talking to CS management, did you get an answer as to why? THat's usually the first hurdle you have to jump if you are oging to get to the finish line. They won't accept they are wrong until you can have an argument with some details.

Sorry, but the walmart thing wasn't becuase the cards gave them nothing, it was because the cards were not registering a limit. I also thing you ahve a greatly distorted view about the nature of people on some form of assistance. I can tell you there are plenty of people willing to work on unemployment that might have to suck it up and work for minimum wage. They will still have to go on SNAP and their kids will be on medicaid if they do though. Not sure if it'll be before or after the bankruptcy, loss of housing, etc. Although I do agree the big risk is really the economic slide vs. the increasing population. I guarantee you the mantra of do more with less informs the degree of maintenance and infrastructure upgrades constantly. Occasionally something like sandy squeezes out some capital, but if you are applying it too little too late it probably doesn't matter. If you aren't paying to operate right, it DEFINITELY doesn't matter. Take for example the bound brook flood control. They got a big storm, the capital go shaken loose to put in some flood control, then they failed to staff it at the next big storm. Fat lot of good it did. Locally, Sandy took out a LOT of power. Mostly because they couldn't be bothered to send someone to shut down the local transfer station. Was it because they didn't want to hear complaints, or was it because they didn't want to pay to field all the support calls, OT, etc, and thought they'd get lucky. Even if the eocnomy improves, don't exepect a return to better standards on anything that has already been degraded without massive revenue loss. If I ever get to leave NJ, I can tell you it won't be to anywhere that your choices for water are aquifer or colorado river water. Heck, with the rate of water use to get gas, oil, etc out of the ground, nowhere may be safe. Then there's the roads. Look at how we have not been spending money on them regardless of revenue allocated for such. Locally and nationally. Look at the state of anti batrial research. No more antibiotics are being invented. Nobody is putting money and minds back into that. There will be a price paid for that. It'd probably do all of us some good to have knowledge on how to limit infection spread via behavior rather than pills, we'll probably be needing it more than we'd like.

Ok, I ahve to ask. What type of forearm and what type of front sight? Because slinging up tight to a standard fixed front sight, I'll agree 100%. I've done it myself. With a railed tube with sights mounted on the rail, I'd believe it to, especially with some of the really swiss cheesed lighter forearms, although I haven't tried it. With a free float tube, irons mounted on the barrel, and sling mounted to the tube, I haven't seen it with my rifle depsite having the sling mounted forward. I've been moving my guns over to a narrower placement for the ergonomic/operating ease features you mentioned, but I'm still curious if you have seen issues with a setup that isolates the fornt sight and barrel form the sling mount.

+1 on the micro. I prefer full cowitness in general, but lower 1/3 doesn't bother me on sights with more tube/window. On the micro or other narrow tube dot, it never really gets out of your way anyway, sooo...

Because the FBI wants to use 9mm FMJ? However, like with this last shortage, you ahve lines dedicated to military ammo that could be repurposed via executive order to produce LEO JHP. The FBI lead the move away from 9mm, even if their supply chain wasn't FUBARed by the last two panics, lots of local PDs got hammered. FBI sets the fashion, so they may have been encouraged to do this to set a trend as well.

I find it to be an incredibly stupid statement, at least out of contexct. You could put five shots through random places in both lungs. Against someone shooitng at you, that's not going ot end thr fight real fast. You have to one of a few key things to cause massive blood loss or massive nerve disruption to cause the body to shut down and get to work on dying ASAP. Sure the 7 shots in the gut might cause sepsis and kill the dude a week from now, but that doesn't help you right now. About the only context I can see the statement not being stupid is in attempting to convince someone to not get married to focusing their limited practice budget (time and materials) on just accuracy. Might also have some merit in trying to explain that you don't have enough knowledge about hat person's specific anatomy to be able to pick out the about 1" wide area that covers the spine and/or abdominal aorta.

I seem to always recall long gun or handgun being stated. Which is enough to figure out you need to do a search for a now prohibited person.

Just an FYI. Ffls get told some pretty ambiguous stuff. They ask a tax question, and the tax folks don't grasp that they aren't actually selling the customer something because they don't know about gun laws. Ask the firearms guys questions and they don't know how taxes for a small business work. When one if the FFLs I frequent was getting set up, we had a conversation about this very thing. The guy in question can very likely simply be misinformed, attempting to double check things can lead to further confusion. The answer as of recent is that they do not collect sales tax and it should be reported on the 1040.

Wylde is VERY close to 5.56 Sam-r, which is a chamber cut that was from the marine shooting team. Both are safe for 5.56 ammo. In reality, commercial chamber resents overlap all over the place. You can get .223 ones that are looser than some 5.56 NATO. Wylde is a good compromise.

^not this. Life and death, yes, mostly. They are there to preserve brand identity first and foremost. The flavor of many items changes significantly as the can ages, and it's not for the better. For anything with a lined can, treat them as absolute. The lining is there because some ingredient is aggressively corrosive, and the linings don't last forever. Then there is the issue of nutritional content. It is not guaranteed to remain as claimed past that date.

I'm seeing keymod as a solution in search of a problem. Unless the problem is trying to come up with some reason to get people to buy something they already own a second time to facilitate making money in an over saturated market. For the consumer, the only real benefit is being able to move around rail segments without the shenanigans of handling the backing nut.

Have a half ton. It is a POS. It won't hold an edge for beans. Marginal steel without a good heat treat. The tolerances on the liner lock are also pushing it. I suspect it will present safety issues without too many cycles. Resharpening it is kind of a pita too. Which is surprising as cheap knives that dull easily usually sharpen easily too. I'm very leery of kershaw's Chinese product.

I suspect the number one factor in this decision is the ammunition supply chain. I'd expect to see other federal agencies follow. Whenever we get panic buying, the pipeline gets cranked down to .223 and 9mm or close enough to it. I suspect some conversations happened between suppliers on open ended contracts and certain agencies regarding what might make procurement most stable.