Ray Ray

I am strictly talking AR10s. The SCAR17 and M1As are reliable.

Pinning the stock ruins the rifle for me.

We are looking at this in different spectrums. Yes, a quality made 308 rifle is just about as reliable as an AR but not quite. When I mean weight, I mean the rifle, the ammunition and the magazines. As far as "room clearing the front door and then an 800 yard shot out the back door" is not possible where I live. For me it's "room clearing a small apartment to a shoot up the block". 556 all day. Now, if I lived where you do? 308 all day.

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As an experienced user of headlamps, I use a ton. I use a couple O-lights. They have an adjustable lumens so won't blind myself in a crawl space but if I need to light up a room I can max it out.

@remixer, see! This is what I am talking about.

Gimme weight too. Unless your talking M1A's or SCAR17s I ain't carrying that big, heavy, mostly reliable 308 when a 556 will do eveything I need it to in my current location.

As @Screwball said, these are good little shooters. Outdated? Yes Heavy? Yes Magazine disconnect? Yes Reliable? Yes. 350 bucks for almost any S&W is a good deal.

Pics?

The machining today is miles above those from years past. Tighter tolerances, precise fitting and the latest in steal technology.

The only way for us to lose is: 1. They don't appeal and allow the FOID cards to be null and void. They did this with concealed carry. Instead of appealing to the SC and possibly losing it nationally, they backed off to save other states to keep their anti 2A laws. 2. They appeal and the SC rules in their favor. Then we're fucked.

Not to derail this thread, but the newer guns are more accurate and better built. Unless you are a collector then there is no point in buying an older one.

Yeah but how did it go?

How did it go?

Thank you @PeteF IF this goes to the SC and IF it is ruled unconstitutional then our whole permit system will be taken down, and the current fees along with these new "fees" they want to implement.

Yeah I was. I didn't see you. And if I did I would have smacked you upside the head.

Did you not just watch the video? If it goes to the SCOTUS and loses YOU CAN NO LONGER REQUIRE A PERMIT OR CHARGE FOR ONE! Fuck!

If Illinios appeals it goes to the Supreme Court! Fuck, pay attention.

Not true, IF they appeal to the supreme court. All fees are ruled Unconstitutional.

@DirtyDigz, avoid Charter Arms at all cost. Stick with my recommendations and you'll thank me later.

She was in good hands

Post that link when you can.

Agreed

It's fine, as long as you showed up. What was the head count, 200?

Not needed, only about 8 forum members should up. And they all are regulars who know each others names.