Ray Ray

It is a very good example, but like @myhatinthering said, the RIA are built to be used and abused. The Wilson Combat is, in all seriousness, built to look at in your safe, show your boys at the range, shoot tiny groups, clean her religiously and put her back in the safe. Which is also why the PA and holosun optics sell so well, cause they get used and abused. Nobody is throwing their AR around if it has a 600 dollar red dot on top with a 100 dollar mount. But, drop the price by half and shit gets banged up, scratched, dropped and worn. I know I know, @Shane45 is gonna say he abuses his high end stuff. But he got $$$$.

After the second bad optic, I would have spent my pesos elsewhere. Just sayin

I find this hard to believe.

That's easy the RIA 1911.

All valid points, and I own an Aimpoint T-1 that sits on my primary AR. BUT, like glock of 2004, the industry has caught up. I am not saying that these budget optics will replace the big names, as they won't. But what they do offer is a product that is reliable, durable, cost effective, laden with options, easy to mount and use. The bottom line is would I use a Holosun or Primary Arms optic on a firearm designated for defensive use? Yes. I have made that step with a 1x8 PA scope. 4 years ago, I would have said no. Get an Aimpoint PRO if money is an issue. Times, have changed.

I would rather a brand new optic than a used one which you have no idea what it's been through. The Aimpoint PRO is about as close in price as your gonna get to these "Asian Aimpoints", but still over a C-Note more. I think the cat is out of the bag, which is why Primary Arms/Holosun are doing so well. The market has shifted, and the same can be said about firearms.

With the surge of AR type rifles, starting in 2004 when the AWB was laid to rest, the optics market has evolved. We went from strictly depending on the big names (Aimpoint/EOtech/Trijicon) to now in 2018 where those very optics are now, dare I say it, overpriced and obsolete? Take, for example, the Primary Arms Cyclops. It has everything you could ask for in an optic designed for "work". Dependable, durable, half the price of the big names and it doesn't even need batteries! So, do you need to spend boku bucks for a name? Not anymore.

Of the 3 you listed, PPQ all day long.

Are those Jay-Z lyrics?

I will take the 9mm, 357 Sig, 40S&W and 38 special. Oh, and 223 and 45 acp. Oh wait, also 12 gauge and 357 magnum. Any scraps I will leave to the rest of the ladies here.

My next 9mm

It sucks.

A 5 gallon bucket, filled to the top with spent casings, will roughly get you 80 to 90 bucks in cash at s scrap yard depending on the day, the scrap yard and the economy.

Yeah, I still hang on to all my brass. Even if it's just to give away to a friend.

True, or trade it here to reloaders.

Funny, that is the exact ammo I had in my cart before they jerked me.

Love

As long as you don't use hoppe's oil, you'll be fine with ALMOST anything.

There is cost too. The Glock is more expensive. Actually, the Glock 43 is one of the more expensive single stack 9mms on the market. Hell, it's a C-Note more than a M&P Shield and the Shield is an all around better gun.

Pics?

Wait, the same company that sold ammo out of Dick's Sporting Goods? That shitty reloaded crap?

LAX ammo here I come

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What Ronald said, to a tee.