flyingcowofdoom

Based upon a thread I posted on another forum, I am curious how everyone goes about unloading a chambered round from a semi-auto. --FCOD

He did go over some of the NJ laws with us as I recall, but if you ask him I'm sure he'd go into details. He takes the time to make sure you understand everything. --FCOD

Nice! Although (and I mean this in the least nitpicky way possible) there are a couple of grammatical errors and typos (I do proofreading as part of my job) "New Jersey Gun Forums is an online community by NJ firearms owners, for NJ firearms owners. Even though the New Jersey has some of the most..." -- Extra "the" "Did you know that by Jan 1, 2010 you may be a criminal, if you purchase more than 1 handgun" -- unnecessary comma "no matter if you are looking at your first firearm, or your 10th" -- unnecessary comma --FCOD

They debated the bill for 40 minutes. It was an interesting debate, too bad there are too many boneheads in the Senate to listen to common sense. --FCOD

I don't see anything in the bill that limits dealers from purchasing from manufacturers. --FCOD

You can view the senate debate by going here (IE only): http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/media/arch ... SSION=2008 Seek to 5:01:00. It starts there. I haven't finished watching it, so far it's gone on for a while. There are good arguments against the bill being made by some of the Senators. They deserve calls/emails of thanks if you ask me. --FCOD

I agree 100% that the law is ridiculous and is a restriction on our rights. I was just saying that I am more upset about the concept of the law than the reality of the law, since it won't realistically affect most people. And by the way, there's no way that it would save even one life. --FCOD

As someone else pointed out, since they have to come to you through an FFL anyway you can just have the FFL hold one for you for 30 days. Realistically, this law won't really affect any of us. I mean, how many of us actually buy more than one handgun every month? Sure, there may be a few people who do, but I don't think this will make much of a difference. However, it is the concept of the law that disturbs me the most. It's a slippery slope. Every time a right is restricted we are one step closer to a right being denied. ---FCOD

F---ing ridiculous. Here's a list of the bill's sponsors: Quigley, Joan M. Vas, Joseph Oliver, Sheila Y. Vainieri Huttle, Valerie Johnson, Gordon M. Schaer, Gary S. Gusciora, Reed Lampitt, Pamela R. Coutinho, Albert Ramos, Ruben J., Jr. Cunningham, Sandra B. Ruiz, M. Teresa Redd, Dana L. Whelan, Jim Here is a list of the Assemblymen/women that voted Yes on the bill: Mary Pat Angelini, Peter J. Barnes, Jon M. Bramnick, Ralph R. Caputo, Anthony Chiappone, Upendra J. Chivukula, Neil M. Cohen, Herb Conaway, Jack Conners, Albert Coutinho, Nilsa Cruz-Perez, Joseph Cryan, Wayne P. DeAngelo, Patrick J. Diegnan, Joseph V. Egan, Elease Evans, Thomas P. Giblin, Jerry Green, Linda R. Greenstein, Louis D. Greenwald, Reed Gusciora, Amy H. Handlin, Mila M. Jasey, Gordon M. Johnson, Pamela R. Lampitt, Sandra Love, John F. McKeon, Paul D. Moriarty, Eric Munoz, Sheila Y. Oliver, Nellie Pou, Vincent Prieto, Joan M. Quigley, Ruben J. Ramos, David P. Rible, Joseph J. Roberts, Caridad Rodriguez, Frederick Scalera, Gary S. Schaer, L. Harvey Smith, L. Grace Spencer, Linda Stender, Cleopatra G. Tucker, Valerie Vainieri Huttle, Joseph Vas, Connie Wagner, Bonnie Watson Coleman, They haven't posted which Senators voted Yes yet, but when they do I will post it. Sorry I don't have time to provide links to the profiles for all the Assemblypeople. --FCOD

Looks like they haven't voted on it yet. --FCOD

Try this: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/ Click on "Senate Session" a little down the page under the section "Legistlative Schedule". From there you can see all of the bills they're going to vote on today. It turns out that the individual bill pages are updated instantly (I'm watching the session live now) so you can just refer to the page for the bill directly to see if it has passed (it's bill A339). --FCOD

According to the schedule they haven't gotten to it yet. This is what's on their agenda for today: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/BillsForAgendaView.asp Look at the LDOA (Last Date of Activity) to see what they've accomplished so far today. If it says "PS" next to it it means passed. --FCOD

Good one! I may have to get some of that myself to give to my liberal relatives... --FCOD

+1 All of my hope went down the toilet when Lonegan lost. --FCOD

It's also a myth that your references can't be related to you. It DOES say that on the form, which is illegal. If you read the actual statute it makes no such requirement and then says that any restrictions on the application form that are not specifically outlined in the statute are illegal. What a great state! --FCOD

Nope. (I'm looking at it right now, I'm going to get 5 tomorrow.) Here's the form, FYI: http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/sts-033.pdf ETA: You may very well have been told by someone that there was a limit, a lot of PDs do that. I've heard 2 and 4 before. --FCOD

There is no (legal) current limit on PPP applications. If your PD told you there was, they are lying. --FCOD

The bill is very straightforward. One handgun per 30-day period unless you're a licensed collector, LEO, or transferring between licensed retailers. The Assembly already passed it last year, so my guess is that the Senate will also pass it. Just another freedom being taken away. Apparently you can listen live but it doesn't seem to be working: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/media/live_audio.asp --FCOD

Well, that goes without saying. --FCOD

Does anyone know what the penalty for having a concealed gun (loaded or unloaded) is? I would never do such a thing, especially in this state, but I was just wondering what the legal consequences are. --FCOD

They have a justifiable need because they know people... I am with you 100%, I considered submitting an application for the hell of it and trying to fight it, but the reality is that because the law does not define "justifiable need" you're going to get turned down unless you know the judge or some other NJ politician. And then you have to say you were turned down, and that might cause problems. I'd get a FL CCW permit first, so that at least if you get turned down in NJ you've already got the FL permit. If you're in North Jersey you can go to get your FL permit application all squared away next Saturday (30th) at Gun For Hire. --FCOD

I sent letters to my reps and all the reps on the committee and heard nothing back :| Let's get Lonegan in here, maybe then we can get Change We Need... --FCOD

A judge in the superior court of the county in which you live gets to decide if you have a justifiable need. And no, you don't. :roll: --FCOD

It can certainly take longer, but from the people that I know in person it took on average 8 weeks. It took me 9 weeks, but for others I know it took 5. Let's put it this way...it will take a LOOONNNNNGGGGG time. --FCOD

Manny at the Bullet Hole in Belleville does that sort of thing, I believe. --FCOD