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Hello there! Do you have your C&R?

Indeed. By uneducated i meant ignorant. By ignorant I meant every liberal (extreme liberal) snob who likes the smell of their own farts.

Nuff said.

The difference is noticeable if one were to graph the demand and supply schedule. An increase in demand, absolutely, moves the curve to the right. An increase in quantity demanded moves ALONG the curve to the right. An increase in absolute demand will create a new market equilibrium price (higher). An increase in quantity demanded creates a shortage in supply and the price paid for the quantity supplied and demanded is above the equilibrium price. Usually the market will move back toward equilibrium price after producers realize that consumers are unwilling to pay the inflated prices. The prices everyone sees now will go back down after this temporary increase in quantity demanded goes down, as long as the current administration doesn't do anything drastic. Logic and history has shown us the more an administration attempts to curb gun ownership, along with government intervention in any market operation, the absolute opposite effect occurs. E.g. rent control creates a lower than market equilibrium price, profitability of renting units become nonexistent, landlords end up selling and rezoning into commercial. Don't even get me started on what's going on now with the banking and auto industries. Laws and theories of economics state that if the Government were to outlaw gun ownership, the black market for weapons will open up exponentially, having the negative externality of criminal gun ownership. In the meantime, let's all enjoy paying 200% above MSRP.

To simply put it, it is price gouging. But that's the price you pay, no pun intended, for a living in a mixed market economy. At any opportunity to make an extra buck, you will take it as a business owner. PourSoulInJersey, Classic demand-pull initiated inflation. I don't think this is really an increase in demand, rather an increase in quantity demanded. The number of consumers of firearms in this country have remained relatively stable. Seems its only the number of guns, ammo, etc. purchased that are on the rise.

You are absolutely correct. From a collector's point of view, there is more to an item than just practicality. I'm just not a collector in the true sense. I go off the technical data and dimensions. For me, the Glock series serves well in that it's relatively cheap, durable, reliable, and I haven't heard too much on catastrophic failures, besides the debated "Kaboom." Out of the pistols I have handled, Sigs are great. Definitively the natural extension feeling that was referred to. Little bulky for concealment though. Glocks are a little too top heavy for "recreational shooting," IMHO, but its design serves its purpose. Never was fond of the Beretta 92s in the "natual extension" mentality, but again, anyone can become proficient with any pistol.

I think anyone can become proficient with any pistol. That's why I don't see the need to test guns. Planning on getting out of dodge later on down the road and was wondering specifically about people's opinion's on how concealable either was. I will check Sureshot out. Thanks trout, yota.

Having trouble deciding between a a Glock 30, 23, or maybe just both. Anyone have opinions on the 30?

hahahaha. They don't put THAT in the flyer.

United States Marine Corps has an excellent firearms safety course. Learn the four safety rules, and variations thereof, and drill them into our head. Go to the range. A lot. Always respect the weapon. After becoming thoroughly acquainted with a firearm, you learn to see it as a tool. Nothing more. The excitement/fascination factor goes away, along with the fear, and you will be able to shoot and move, no problem.

For everyone's reference, emailed Jim's Gun Shop. Transfer fee is $50 + $15 NICS.

Hahaha. The Government does not ask you to sacrifice by paying taxes. They force you to surrender a portion of your personal income. Freedom isn't free.

Very sound advice. I've noticed a lot of shops in NJ prey on the ignorance of the average consumer and claim high prices are only due to manufacturers' increases in cost due to demand. That may be partly to blame, but everyone at every level of production from producer, wholesaler, to retailer are trying to cash in. Cut out as many middle men as you can and go straight to wholesale whenever possible. That being said, anyone know of low transfer fee FFLs in Northern New Jersey?

Mauser88, what kind of muzzle brake is that on your AR? I'm about to order a build from CMMG, just need to know what kind of muzzle brake fits into NJ's standards.

Oh, brother. If you disagree with POTUS, you are a racist and conservative nut job. If you own guns, you are a gun nut. If you believe in religion of any kind, you are a an idiot who's slowing down the progress of mankind. And now, if you are a veteran, you are a terrorist?

maksim, I paid around $60 when getting my fingerprinting done for the initial FID. I just don't understand why local PDs send applications to the state level. They have access to all the same databases. If anything, local records will usually have more information on you than a state or national database. In my opinion, theses fees amount to taxation to deter people from buying firearms. One of the many ways New Jersey sticks it to you I guess.

Hot damn! PourSoulInJersey, I am envious.

I'll tell ya, when I would drive up from NC I knew I was in NJ from the stink! :mrgreen:

I really need to get out of Jersey. It took less than a week to get my CCW in NC. $50 for a class, $5 for records check. With a CCW I was able to purchase any pistol at any time. How did it get so bad here?

I just went and submitted my application for 2 purchase permits, already have my FID. I don't know if they're jerking me around or not, but I was told to pay for an $18 fee in order for the STATE police to run a background check. :?: I paid the "fee" but I told them, tactfully, that I was unaware of any other fee besides those listed according to state statutes. When I asked the dispatcher if NICS was available at the local level, I was informed that it was. From what I understood, State Police handled the applications if no local force was available. My area is pretty congested and there are plenty of officers around. So, why isn't the NICS being done at my local PD? Why are they even sending it to state? Is the $18 fee illegally imposed?

Thanks, maksim. Great job founding this forum by the way.

Col. Mortimer: Got me interested in shooting competitively. Can you list what equipment is needed; and generally any/all associated fees and costs?

Col. Mortimer: People around here definitely give you a funny look. You're absolutely right, though. Have to feel them out first. Big difference in mindset from NC to NJ. Many people automatically associate, incorrectly, guns to right wing conservative nuts or the next Binghamton shooter. If only NJ residents were the open-minded intellectuals that we claim to be, instead of blindly buying into anti-gun fabrications force fed into the American psyche by people like, our favorite, Nancy Pelosi. :mrgreen: Might have to take you up on your offer if/when I find the time.

I hear its a must have/read for gun owners in NJ. Anyone have/read it?

The shop deals in new/used rifles, shotguns, and pistols. They don't have the widest selections, but I rate shops based on the level of customer service. If you're looking for a decent, in-stock selection, go to Caso's in Jersey City, for those in the Northern NJ area. You can always go on Gunbroker and have the item you're looking for transferred anyway. The staff at Bergen Sporting Goods are great to get technical advice and professional opinions, or just to shoot the sh*t with. Unlike Mike's Gun Shop in Fairview which, in my opinion, is a horrible shop. Last time I checked, transfer + NICS fee was around $60 total. Bottom line, if you are a first time buyer, this is a good place to start and get advice without feeling pressured into a purchase. If you are a good ole boy, or gal, good place to talk shop.