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If anyone wants to carpool, I'll be coming down Rt 94 to Rt 80. We could meet at the big truck stop just off 80. I'll probably take the van, so space for 3 more people and gear in the back shouldn't be an issue. Let me know, and we'll firm up details.

If you look at some of the CCW sites in states in free America, several of them have a database of businesses that don't allow carry on the premises. They're within their rights to disallow guns in their stores, and the patrons who feel that that is some sort of infringement are within their rights to take their business elsewhere in protest. Perfectly sensible.

The course is 100 rounds. I'll be bringing a couple of extra boxes, since my POS Stoeger likes to light hit on occasion. Glad to see you can make it. Should be fun, and the weather isn't looking bad.

As much as I enjoy seeing kids at the range, I don't know if we can undo the indoctrination they're exposed to every day. Maybe a few of them, but what about the thousands who are shown that guns are bad and people who use/sell/have/shoot guns are bad. Remember this? Gun dealer sponsorship rejected

NJ.com has en entire landing page for shootings in NJ. How absurd is it that even in light of this level of violence, we can't make any progress? NJ.com Shootings page

Another issue is personal fear. Fear of reprisals at work, fear of being shunned by "polite society", and fear of being suspected of being one bad experience away from a paranoid breakdown. A while back, I started a thread about an experience at the Post Office. It may bear rereading. Old Post Office thread I don't know how we can move the public's impression of the shooting community out of shadows and away from the fringe, but I do know that until we do, we won't be able to make any progress here at all. It's very frustrating.

I don’t normally watch Obama speak. His smugness and condescending attitude usually make my skin crawl, but admittedly, he can turn a phrase. Anyone who can turn “war” into “kinetic military action” and convince people that they’re 2 different things has a wealth of linguistic and persuasive skills. Last night, the phrase to watch was “forge a coalition”. I like that. It implies rolling your sleeves up and actively seeking out and bringing together a disparate and discordant group and ending up with a cohesive whole that’s stronger than the sum of its parts. We should do that. Let’s figure out how.

Nope. He may inherit it if you pass, providing that you will it to him, or that there are no other heirs with priority, but you cannot gift a firearm. For a handgun, he needs to have a PPP, and you can execute a face to face transaction (still legal in NJ, but hurry), file the papers, and go on your merry ways.

Greetings and welcome.

"Perversions of the law" is a phrase that makes my eyes bleed. Thanks, Bob, for the clarification. I'm further convinced that laws aren't written for plain folk to just understand and abide by, they're written specifically for clever lawyers to find loopholes in and ways around.

As a community, this is our greatest failure, and the antis greatest success. We have no voice to the middle. We have no viable strategy to reach out to the fence-sitters. And, we have no visible presence outside of our own little groups and cliques. The antis have local, statewide and national strategies to move their agendas forward. Nationally, they have the media, the government, the Bradys, and a growing puddle of blood to enthusiastically dance in. They are on the offensive. NJ has Bryan, Bryan has the media. Sadly, we remain on the defensive, and we have dick.

I'm going to try to ask this without sounding snarky, but if I fail, I apologize... Exactly what would the bar be? Pet food store owner? Kidnapped to Missouri? Case of mistaken identity? 58 years old? Other? Or would it be... A tangible, demonstrable threat that may be realized some time in the future, in an undetermined location, in a method as yet undetermined, that may or may not extend beyond the individual in question and include innocent bystanders and otherwise uninvolved parties? If it's the first set, NJ will never issue another permit. If it's the second, anyone who ever testified against a gang member, took out a restraining order against a violent spouse, etc. will be issued a permit.

I shouldn't have to point out that the ultimate goal of "anti-gun people" is precisely that... a complete and total prohibition. They're not interested in fair regulation, or reasonable due process, or "sporting uses for firearms". They want nothing less than the complete eradication of firearms, the sooner the better, forever.

Thanks. I have rare moments of eloquence. If the state grants Muller his permit, wouldn't they then be opening the door for the next guy with a tangible threat? What about the guy testifying against a gangbanger in court, who is publicly threatened by said banger's friends in the gallery? Or the guy who calls the cops to bust the crack house next door? Each time, the burden of proving "justifiable need" will be slightly diluted. Until simply living in a bad neighborhood will be sufficient, and then the requirement is gone. No. I think the state is willing to live or die based on their decision to deny Muller. I'm concerned that they're confident enough that even if the appeal moves forward, and even if the process is used in the SAF case when it comes before a judge, they believe that they can win with their argument. My real fear is that SCOTUS will deny hearing the case, stating that it would be an abridgement of state's rights to intercede in what is an internal state issue. What happens then?

you need a permit.

More details... handgun, long gun, trade for another handgun, long gun, cash, lawn mower?

My comment there:

Article in the Star-Ledger supporting Mr. Muller's application for a carry permit. I feel like I fell into a parallel dimension. SL Article

I've never been there, don't know them personally, and don't know the circumstances surrounding their closing, but I do know that they responded when I sent out the njShoot intro letters and that they're helping support the community by putting a few of their dollars into a directory listing on the site. I wish Gerry the best of luck.

Greetings and welcome.

Gotta teach her to shoot a gun.

o/u is ideal. Nothing more than singles or doubles on a single pull.

Welcome to the group.

Glenn, Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together. I know you've had this in the back of your head for a while, it came together well, and I appreciate you allowing me to use it. K

Greetings and welcome.