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I have no idea. But I would probably listen to PK90 or TB

Still praying for incorporation of 2A rights here!

+ 1 Way to go long lost brother! Now get off the forum and go study your butt off so you don't waste that intelligence you just let us see ! Goodnight all!

Hope so - it's a little chilly out now. I was just picking up some dog crap in the yard. You know it is fitting to be talking about NJ gun laws and have dog crap disussed as well. Very true !

Duct tape in car. Now I'm going to swab out a barrel and put my vise & cleaning rod in the car. I will be at CJ early in the AM so no cell tower/Nike/Big and Tall for me. I will be at the rifle range with 2 of my friends. That reminds me - I need to put my ammo in the car. See you guys there!

I think the jets will pull it out in a close one and Sanchez will win the fans back!

Hope so - it's a little chilly out now. I was just picking up some dog crap in the yard.

So how 'bout them JETS. Think they will self destruct on monday night?

So how 'bout them Yankees?

Damagedworld......I assure you that I have listened to every thing you said and have taken all of it into consideration. The final factor in my decision was when I spoke to lawyers who said they would not take my case if it was an AK variant that caused the trouble but they would if it was an AR type other than the specific models listed in the statute I mentioned above. That's what really made me decide I didn't want to take the chance. I am not paranoid at all - I don't want to end up like the guy that this exact thing happened to and all he did was go to the range each Sunday and his own neighbors called the cops on him. That's all. It cost him 30K to get out of trouble and in my mind, even $100 bucks is too much to have to pay to explain any firearm is not illegal. I thought a clarifying letter would be a good idea since everyone is saying I am wrong about my interpretation of the law and it would clear the air once and for all but now I have changed my mind. You make a good point that it could turn out to be trouble for some law abiding FFL's and law abiding gun owners (for whom I would never wish to cause any unnecessary trouble because of my silly query - and I don't even know them - We need to stick together which is the same reason I refuse to bash that FFL that freaked out on me) so I withdraw my last post and once again apologize for ever posting this thread as my flame suit is burnt to a crisp and I have to go buy another :oops: I will now go back to hoping and praying for incorporation to work out well for us and then my wife and I will each buy a currently banned Real AK Variant with as many "evil" features as possible the first day incorporation takes effect. For now, I'm going to spend my money on an over/under shotgun - I held a few that felt perfect for me and look forward to trying some more out tomorrow at Central Jersey! Now I am off to mow the lawn so I can go to the CJRPC shoot all day tomorrow from dusk till dawn knowing all of my chores are done! Hope to see you all there! And yes - I still take care of my own lawn and I am proud of it - It is the absolute nicest lawn in the neighborhood!

I couldn't agree more. Well said. They are really "peace-keeping" tools!

What an amazing idea!!!!! Maybe this thread could turn into something VERY positive for us all rather than the annoyance it currently is! I wouldn't annoy the NJSP as a civilian but if I was an officer of the law, I would feel obligated to do so in order to clarify this so I wouldn't ruin someone's life by arresting them for not breaking the law! Perhaps we can get this in writing (clearly naming the specific model Saiga and any others we wish to be sure about as legal) directly from the Head Badge (no offense intended) and share it with each other? Perhaps he could address it To Whom It May Concern or To Arresting Officer (even better). I would carry a laminated version in the same case with my rifle just to CMA. I would buy a post ban configuration AK in a second if we can get this in writing! My wife will get a matching one she just said. I believe Totalabuse once said on another thread that he has an in with the NJSP......If he can't help us out with this one, maybe one of our LEO members would be willing to make contact in order to help clarify this for every person in the state of NJ. Even our anti-gun neighbors! This is what I am talking about Law abiding gun owners coming together to help each other out and get things done! How great would this small victory be for us all :?: :!: :?: :!: Good motivation to do more of this TOGETHER rather than bending over and taking it. :ugeek: Papa Maksim would be so proud of us I bet! Let's get to the bottom of this TOGETHER :!: I'm elated as I type this. Literally smiling from ear to ear!

2 guests per member - that is the rule and I don't think many will risk being kicked out for that violation of the rules. Sunday's are really busy there and some grumpy older members have nothing better to do than cause trouble for others.

+1 Make that +2 as my wife who LOVES scary movies / haunted hayrides and the like is yelling in the background how the Blair Witch was the lousiest (she used different adjectives ) POS ever! Side - I love when she goes all "I am from the south and have a big mouth" She's sooo cute when she's riled up!

OK.... I break.....these are excellent reasons! My wife says that NJ/NY has the best pizza she has ever had! Almost in every shop too! The diners are awesome and you know we all Crave the castle. I have never had Sonic but others have made it clear that it is the shizzle!

That's the one that's the most fun. You can build it up to be your ideal 22. Wood stock - $199.99 Stainless/synthetic - $249.99 I saw 4 there tonight!

Hi Tim, I was wondering if it would be too much to ask if you could help me install one of the extended mag releases on my 10/22? Darian

Why would anyone want to visit this place?

http://www.bulletproofme.com/Quick_Answers.shtml#1 Thank you sooo much everyone! I have read 260 pages on armor since last night! I think I am starting to learn a thing or two! But I still want to learn more!

Well said. It's disgusting! I see it every day.

I never used this FFL for anything nor will I ever in the future - Nor will my wife, close friends, mom, dad, or sister and new soon to be bro in law - You can take that to the bank! - I didn't even know he existed up until last week - I just came into some information through my channels (It sure is a small world) and called him to get directions and ask him if it was true that he did have 4 or 5 Saigas in stock. I want to be my own FFL, but my good friend is one and with the exception of not transferring an AK style semiautomatic firearm for anyone at all (just for clarity's sake, he is not the explosive FFL who I speak of above - 5 other FFL's I contacted have the same policy as my friend - and not one of them tried to threaten/intimidate me - most offered me an AR instead), he orders me anything I want! And I get an awesome layaway plan I would have to give up if I became an FFL myself. How much does it cost a year to maintain an FFL license in NJ? Just the license cost, not the store front if any of you with an FFL care to PM me and let me know !?! I would text my friend but he is on a date and I don't want to Clock Block him for this. Sorry, I'm such a bad speller! :oops:

You should!

Very well said. The fact Corslime is closing the gap with Christie should be enough for all of you to know this is true.

OK - I will say more.....all be it cautiously as my flame suit is almost burnt to a crisp..... :oops: First off - Allow me to retract my statement from my earlier post that I couldn't care less. That was childish and immature of me. Secondly - Thank you everyone for not being mad at me. I do not mean to plant negative seeds in any way and I am in no way trying to imply that anyone is breaking the law - just that depending on their mood, if something simple like a traffic violation stop was to occur that drew attention to yourself (to use PK90's words) possessing an AK variant, the anti-gun prosecutors and judges in NJ (Somerset County in particular) could use this argument to put you on trial even if just to try and make an example out of you or selfishly advance their own careers. You will probably get off without jail time as did the man I mentioned in a previous post, but Lawyers aren't free, and all of this was enough for me to decide I will continue to wait before taking possession of an AK variant. I feel the gun laws in this state need to be overturned ASAP so that this would not even be a concern for us all! With that said, I assure you that I am an active NRA member. I call and write every representative in office here in NJ (none of which I voted for) letting the know my opinion of the current unfair laws in addition to politely and respectfully suggesting improvements to the current system. If all of us ban together, we can change the laws - we just need to be dedicated and sacrifice some of our free time and printer ink cartridges for the greater good of establishing 2A rights in this "communist republic of NJ". We also can not vote for Fagggett or Corslime PERIOD. Not to mention they admitted their plans raise our property and income taxes. At least Christie (who is not exactly a friend of firearms enthusiasts) knows the laws are unfair and has said while campaigning that he will not sign any additional gun restrictions. He even used the infamous line - "We need to enforce the current laws, not make more".....And yes, the lesser of two evils crap is REALLY getting to me too! That's for another thread though! I HONESTLY was just posting the information I gathered from FFL's and excellent trial lawyers (many of whom own multiple firearms), who just so happen to be friends of mine, who thought they were helping me stay out of trouble in this Anti-Gun state, in order to explain the background info which led me to discover the expiration date on the legislation in the first place (as they insisted on going through the statute with me line by line). I was hoping this would be a date to look forward to like back in 2004. This all started when another very good friend of mine who is an FFL blew my mind when he informed me that he refuses to transfer a Saiga for me and planted this seed in me. I didn't want to listen, I swear! I even called 2 more FFL's that day, one of whom reacted rather explosively when I called them for directions as I discovered they had Saiga rifles in stock. One FFL in particular, whose store name (against the advice of many of my friends here on this forum and at my rifle club) I do not wish to mention as I would feel as if I was being vindictive and although he won't transfer AK variants to NJ residents (he will if transfer to you if you live in a free state), I would never want him to stop selling firearms he feels comfortable transferring to NJ residents or lose any business due to my frustrations with his over-reaction. One particular FFL really scared me when he told me that if I had come into his retail establishment with my query, he would have placated me for a short time while he had someone else in the store call/notify the police and report that I was asking him to transfer an illegal firearm and have the police question me / escort me out of his store just to cover his hide. I hope it tells you something about me that I am not bashing him by name or by mentioning his retail establishment, as that is how dedicated I am to the cause of establishing 2A rights for law abiding citizens in NJ. LET IT BE CLEAR - I HAVE WANTED AN AK VARIANT VERY BADLY FOR OVER 15 YEARS. If the laws change, I bet you can guess what I will be buying first! Second will be an AR with a mean looking, and let us not forget, evil flash hider. I am sorry if I offended anyone and I will do everyone a favor and stop posting anything with regard to this topic. Once again, please forgive me if I offended any of you in any way. That was not my intention at all. Allow me to add: Damagedworld is an unbelievably generous and knowledgeable person who was too kind to me and offered me amazing information as well as assistance with many of my annoying firearms questions in the past. He was even willing to give up some of his free time to help me with some parts replacements on my firearms. I hope one day, I can help him half as much as he helped me since we first were in contact with each other. I feel PK90 is also a stand-up guy, from my limited experiences with him and also from what many people I know have said during our discussions with regard to Paul. For the record, I wish we never had to have this discussion and I now regret posting / sharing any information that I have received in the past week or so. Once again, I hope all of you out there will forgive me for this and I will never do anything like this again (even if my intentions are 100% benevolent). Just to end on a lighter note - Feel free to LOL - Maybe I am just fear mongering so all of you will sell your AK type semi automatic rifles sooner than later and I will get pick of the litter! I recently learned the tactic from watching the main-stream / drive-by media as well as Congress.

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY AND SLOWLY AS TO AVOID CONFUSION!!!! The problem, perhaps not for you, but definitely for me and the FFL's and lawyers I have spoken with is in the details of the legislation itself and how it lends itself to be interpreted with regard to the legality of AK TYPE Semi-automatic firearms as the prosecutor/local judge/local court system chooses to be in their best interest. (Keep in mind, these folks know nothing of you internals/AK100 action like I do - in fact, I almost bought a Saiga last week believing the same thing - go ahead and ask people right here on this forum-that's what made me start calling every FFL I could looking for one in stock). Meaning.......A "brake light out" routine stop gone wrong (perhaps on your way home from your rifle club) WILL get you arrested, and guarantee you a court fight to clear your name and defend the unclear and vaguely defined lawful possession of your AK type semi automatic firearm as a post ban configuration rifle in compliance with the clarifying/qualifying paragraph in the NJ statute mentioned above. I now know of someone who lived through this exact situation. It cost him $30,000 in legal defense for his choice to possess an AK type semi-automatic firearm. Although, he was not sent to prison, it cost him $30K to end up taking a lesser charge which carried zero jail time. To me, that is not worth it just to own this wonderful type of rifle. Believe you me, I wish every law abiding gun owner had an AK in their posession - the country as a whole would be a much safer place! The only AR-15's that are banned are listed by specific model name, not by similarity as in the language "AK type semiautomatic firearm" and that was an exploited loophole (thank goodness) in the colt/springfield lawsuit also mentioned above which allowed the sale of AR-15 type weapons that fulfilled the post ban requirements which are clearly defined in the paragraphs immediately following the banned rifle list in the sate firearms statute. You will never see a Colt AR-15 or CAR-15 or Bushmaster Assault Rifle (specific model names here) for sale as they are clearly defined as banned in the ridiculous NJ statute. You will find Bushmaster model number (fill in the blank) and any other non specifically named AR-15 style firearms for sale in just about every gunshop in NJ. This exact issue is what led to DPMS, Stag, CMMG, S&W, etc.... flooding the market with AR-15 style/type weapons that #1) Were not specifically named on the banned rifle list and #2) were not generally categorized as would have been the case if the legislation would have read "AR-15 type semi-automatic firearms" . I will not defend my research/thoughts/ideas on this matter any further here in this thread. My mind is made up, thanks to the experts I consulted, and if one chooses to own an AK variant in NJ - good for that person! To everyone reading - I do not control your minds - If you are unsure of anything, I would recommend you consult your own lawyer of choice and ensure that he/she is willing to defend you in court based on the information with which they provide you, and please make an informed decision based on what you believe to be true as I would never speak or decide anything for you - It's that little known concept of free will. I am just sharing my researched conclusion with you all. Trust me, I don't believe anything anyone says without researching it for myself with regard to everything in life from whether D&D is better than Starbuck's to which car wax provides the best shine, and I hope you don't either! I WILL NOT RISK MY FREEDOM FOR THIS STUPIDITY nor will I discuss it anymore in this thread. Please do as you wish, and God Bless. Also, please feel free to think I am an uninformed idiot with not one concrete point - I honestly couldn't care less! Now back to the thread...... Sugar, Honey, Iced Tea(my son is now starting to repeat words so no more good ones)......I was hoping if we were lucky enough to have this expire in 2012, I could then feel comfortable possessing an AK type semi-automatic firearm and perhaps even get an AR-15 with an adjustable length of pull and the much meaner in a good way looking (in my opinion at least) flash hider. Let us not forget......mini mags (less that the standard 30 round capacity).