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Thanks Calzo - That was a great read! Very educational. Thank you very much for that! I love this forum - So many knowledgeable folks that are happy to help each other out!

I love physics.

IIIA plus plates for rifle?

Could someone be kind enough to run down the classifications of protection for certain types of body armor???? By class or by which type is best for handguns, 7.62/.308, and even 5.56 :?: I see sooo many different kinds out there with just as many opinions and my wife said it would be a good idea as we are muzzle swept on occassion at various ranges from time to time. Thanks in advance everyone!

+1. Never skimp on boots!

+1,000,000 - Deer season in PA is like War Zone! Gotta love a state that has no school on opening day!

Did you see her run from the man eating gobblers? Two strong grips and a twist away from the deep frier. Silly vegetarian.

yes staple gun adn staples No you put the cardboard backers on the stocks, and THEN the targets on the sticks tiny Just don't let me use your staple gun or I will staple my finger to the target, right Tiny !?!

Sure is! Rangers Fan. I was told the same thing when my wife and I went down to the "very friendly toward us as they know us well" local PD just the other day. My town used to require that and finger printing only once every 2 years. Now, the $18.00 fee is for every application for pistol purchase permits - It's just another way to discourage law abiding citizens from obtaining firearms by making them jump through hoops to exercise their 2A rights - Vote the demonrats out of office! Respectfully, Rangers Fan

In my opinion, Hoarding means over 1,000,000 rounds of one caliber :roll: - There should never be any discussion of how much ammo anyone would care to own :!: It is a free country after all, at least for a little while longer.....

Good purchase if you ask me! I love my DPH for my Ruger SP101. Cargo shorts and a T-shirt in the summer - no print. My wife even uses one in her upper purse pocket when she carries, in addition to her back up. I would not want to mess with my wife for sure - She is a Colorado Gal to the extreme. My friends joke that at least I know how I'm gonna go, whether I choose to admit or not.

Once again everyone, I apologize for the LONG post but I feel the need to share what I have discovered with other law abiding gun owners as we must stick together to get anything in NJ changed for the better, and I would never want to give the anti-gunners any ammunition to use against us. Please do not think I am some armchair commando "Tacti-COOL" poser. I am a born researcher who analyzes things in more extreme detail than most. As a Physical Chemist with one of many specialties in quantum mechanics, I tend to be extremely thorough in my investigations/analysis of everything in life I consider or have examined in the lab. I have also been blessed to have worked with some of the most respected corporate lawyers that ever defended scientific prescription drug and OTC drug analysis research - and with the money involved in that, I assure you these boys are no slouches - SHARKS by every definition of the word with jaw dropping trial resumes longer than Glenn Beck's list of gripes with the current administration - I would never want one of them to show up on the other side of the court from any of us! Luckily, many are law abiding gun owners / firearms enthusiasts so we are lucky if you ask my opinion. That sure sounds nice, short, and sweet Paul. I am not trying to be disrespectful in any way, but I must respectfully disagree. I was discussing the colt/springfield lawsuit in detail with some trial lawyer friends and they made it clear that there is not any remark of AR-type weapons in the statute, only specific models of the AR platform (like Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series rather than Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 type semi-automatic firearms and the same with Bushmaster Assault Rifle rather than Bushmaster Assault Rifle type semi-automatic rifles) and that is how they squeaked through the name changes like Colt Match Target being a legal rifle in NJ as it was not specifically mentioned in the statute and fulfilled the requirements of not too many Evil Features defined in the clarifying paragraph following the banned list of firearms. With AK's, the legislators covered "all bases so to speak" by not naming Avtomat Kalishnikov specifically but rather vaguely defining any Avtomat Kalishnikov type semi-automatic rifle as an illegal Assault Rifle. This is a gray area I am not willing to step into as some attorneys said they would not even take a case involving an AK variant but would snatch up a case with regard to a post ban AR-15 in NJ without question and some even referred to it as a "quick money slam dunk case". Without 2A rights for us here in NJ - I am definitely not willing to risk my freedom with an AK variant. That said, I absolutely agree, as do most of the attorneys I spoke with, that one can be arrested for ANY EVIL looking firearm however with the AK variants, you will for sure be in for a long and arduous court battle. I was also further assured that as long as the rifle in question is not a specifically mentioned AR-15, the case will never make it to trial court. With regard to the extension of the ban without anyone knowing about it - I bet you hit the nail on the head unfortunately - I hope to be out of this state sooner than later - I MISS AMERICA! As written in the statute..... "Assault firearms" means: 1. Any of the following firearms: Algimec AGM1 type Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12" Armalite AR-180 type Australian Automatic Arms SAR Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms Bushmaster Assault Rifle Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900 CETME G3 Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types Demro TAC-1 carbine type Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types FAMAS MAS223 types FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns G3SA type Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1 Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms M1 carbine type M14S type MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms PJK M-68 carbine type Plainfield Machine Company Carbine Ruger K-Mini-14/5 F and Mini-14/5 RF SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types SKS with detachable magazine type Spectre Auto carbine type Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun Uzi type semi-automatic firearms Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms Weaver Arm Nighthawk;

As many of my friends on this forum know already, I have spoken with some attorneys and quite a few FFL's with regard to the legality of AK variants and AR's recently as I have been deciding between an post ban configuration AK type and an AR. It seems, AR's are the only CLEARLY NJ legal option at this current time. By CLEARLY legal - It is meant that should you be in possession of the firearm, you will not be arrested by a LEO who is not willing to overlook the Grey Area which covers AK type rifles with post ban configurations as they are all, legally speaking of course, AK type semi-automatic weapons and named (all be it, by a clarifying paragraph) similar to the original design in function and essential nature. Read the statute again and contact an attorney if not 100% positive that you will have to fight it out in the NJ court system should you be arrested for being in possession of a non CLEARLY defined as legal semi automatic rifle. Any firearm manufactured under any designation, which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed in paragraph 1 above. As used in this definition, the term "substantial" means pertaining to the substance, matter, material or essence of a thing and the term "identical" means exactly the same. Hence, a firearm is substantially identical to another only if it is identical in all material, essential respects. A firearm is not substantially identical to a listed assault firearm unless it is identical except for differences that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm. The following are examples of manufacturer changes that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm: the name or designation of the firearm; the color of the firearm; the material used to make the barrel or stock of the firearm; the material used to make a pistol grip; and a modification of a pistol grip. According to NJ legal minds other than Nappen(he was the only successful attorney with such a case here in NJ BTW), changing the name from AK to Saiga does not change the essential nature of the firearm in question as the action is similar and the stock change to a sporter stock vs. a pistol grip is also covered as a manufacturer change which does not alter the essential nature of the firearm...... I am also now well aware and familiar with ALL the court cases that have ever been in the NJ courts with regard to posession of an improperly named "Assault Weapon" by otherwise law abiding gun owners(I prefer modular repeating rifles myself ) and it seems depending on the particular county/court/judge, it could go well or VERY badly for the person found to be in possession of said designated semi-automatic firearm. After all this, I have decided an AK is not in my near future as I am in NO WAY willing to risk my freedom and the quality of life of my family in order to own a "quasi-legal" AK in "so-called" post ban configuration (not to mention the 401K to pay the legal fees associated with such an expensive legal defense). As unfair as I feel this is to the law abiding gun owner in this state, these lengthy discussions have just made me abandon the idea of purchasing an AK type weapon. Now with all that said, I now understand that there is a possibility of a light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak. As written.... Title 13, Chapter 54 -- Chapter Notes CHAPTER AUTHORITY: N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1 et seq. and 2C:58-1 et seq.; as to N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.15, N.J.S.A. 47:1A-2 and Executive Order No. 9 (Gov. Richard J. Hughes, September 30, 1963). CHAPTER SOURCE AND EFFECTIVE DATE: R.2007 d.378, effective November 13, 2007. See: 39 N.J.R. 2324(a), 39 N.J.R. 5349(a). CHAPTER EXPIRATION DATE: Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, expires on November 13, 2012. Now for the point of the thread (please allow me to apologize for the length of the posted background information/train of thought-I just wanted to share the knowledge I have solicited recently with regard to this topic and we are all on the same page)..... Do you think it is possible that this statute will not be renewed in 2012 thus allowing law abiding gun owners in the nanny state to purchase the same rifles that are legal for sale in the free states of our country?

Wake up America!

I Love my SX3. You will probably love yours too! I got the synthetic so it can double as a walking stick or paddle if need be.

Ok Guys - I'm sure many of you saw the write up in American Rifleman about the Ruger SR-556. I really like that rifle but I understand there is not a NJ legal version just yet - and according to the Ruger rep I spoke with today, none are in the works :x :x So....I have been thinking about a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 ORC as I like that rifle a lot as well. Now I have some questions for all you experts about the piston design as in 1 S&W model and the Ruger SR 556 vs the original gas tube design. I want to hear it all boys! Any opinions, experiences, and links with good information are greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks in advance and let her rip!

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Thanks Hodgie - I was just at that site. Now I have a question for anyone who can help. Does anyone know if the Bulgarian SSR 85-C rifle or the US made AK-47C (first and second rifles you see when you scroll down on the Classic Arms site Hodgie provided) is NJ legal if I get 15rd mags and let the seller keep the 30 rounder? Niether are on "the list" specifically but from what I understand, if it says Avtomat Kalashnikov anywhere on the receiver and/or has a bayonnet lug, it's illegal here in this nanny state???? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Just so everyone is on the same page - I really hate New Jersey's gun laws! They are ridiculous and not clearly written! Thanks in advance for the help!

Guys....Just messing around - you know me. Never serious unless I have to be.

Do you always use your home defense ammo at the range? Otherwise, what is the point? Sorry if I wasn't clear. Every so often, I like to run a few mags of my self defense ammo through my home defense handgun just to make sure all is well. I Put some fresh rounds in when I get home and if there is any spring tension loss in my mag springs or another issue with my weapon system, I catch it before it's too late. I haven't had an issue in years but I thought it was good advice when it was given to me, so I continue to follow it. I used to unload the mags and then reload them at the range. Now that I know this, I will just take them to the range.

Funnier still! Tiny - I'm not laughing at you at all. I'm happy this was clarified because I will now not bother to unload my mags that I keep ready for home use if necessary before I go to the range and cycle through my mags and self defense loads. I'm sure NJpilot is happy to hear this info as we just had a conversation about this the other day.

Don't bother, I'll make the call. I got a 'in'. Have an answer by tomorrow. ETA. Call made. Offical answer within the hour. That was funny as hell!

Come on now boys.....can't we spell this right?

Hi Everyone. I was wondering if anyone has seen any Saiga rifles in 7.62x39 at any of the gunshops you frequent. I have called a few and no luck! If not, please keep your eyes open for me and PM me if you strike oil so to say. Thanks in advance guys!