Dwarven1

Absolutely correct (well, I'm not sure about the no NICS for C&R instate; hadn't heard that). Buddy of mine in S. Amboy got a C&R... and got a little visit from an ATF agent to explain all of the above to him, as they get so few requests for a C&R from NJ. All firearms purchases must go through an FFL, so you can't get stuff shipped directly to you. However, given the prices of some C&R stuff (like Mosins, etc), it'd be worth even paying the FFL transfer fee. As for discounts - Brownells and MidwayUSA are two places that give C&R holders dealer pricing.

That'd either be my SW1911 or my Kahr K9. I went to a Zombie Shoot this weekend, and I was thinking of using my CZ-75 for the handgun stage and decided to use the K9 (which I was carrying) instead. Won the stage with it.

Whenever I have a problem or questions on a rimfire, that's where I go to. Huge amount of technical knowledge there. Really? Does NJ recognize the concept of "pre-ban"? One of my 30 round Eagle mags (for the 10/22) I bought when I lived in NJ - somewhere around 83 or so, I'd guess. Would that still be verboten? (Just wondering; I don't really use it and am going to be selling it this week.)

You're gonna hate me for this... Project Appleseed came up with a set of mods to a 10/22 that makes it what we call the Liberty Training Rifle, or LTR for short. Better sights, sling, extended mag release, modified bolt release, modified hammer... oh, man... this is what Ruger should have made in the first place. from a thread on NorthEastShooters: If you're going the used route, get a Mark II instead. The takedown procedure for the Mark III is a pain in the fundament, and they shoot just as well. I sold my Mark III to a friend (after warning him about it!) and got a Mark II instead.

Spectacularly BAD idea, sir. You do NOT want to get caught lying to the cop.

Really? Interesting... there's a firing pin stop in the Mark II to specifically prevent damage to the chamber. I hope he sent it back to Ruger for repair, as it seems to me that that should be covered by them. Certainly I've dryfired mine quite a bit with no damage. As for the 10/22, the firing pin has a notch cut in it to prevent it from going into the chamber rim - it hits on the bolt so it's only got a certain amount of free travel. (I had to replace the firing pin on my 10/22 a year or two ago... seems that ~20,000 rounds through it wears down the pin! Go figure. )

Well, Ladyfire, my preference would be a Ruger MK III or a S&W of some flavor - either the 22A or the 617. You should DEFINITELY handle them in the store and see if they fit your hands or if they're too heavy (the 617 IS large framed revolver, which is both an advantage and a disadvantage - while it's somewhat heavy, that weight soaks up any recoil so that you really don't feel any recoil at all when shooting it). If you can find a used S&W Model 17, that would be even better. FWIW, my first handgun was a S&W Model 19 (in .357) and my second was a Ruger Mark I. Strangely enough, I still have the Mod 19, and I now have a Mark II (better sights and a couple of other features that I prefer over the Mark I). I also have a 617 in the safe, too. The Ruger gets the most trigger time, but the two revolvers get their share, too. If you know any gun owners who have the type of guns you're interested in, see if they'll let you try them out. Or (and this may be off the wall here) if NJGF has any group shoots planned, see if any of the other shooters will let you try out what they have. I'm also a member of www.NorthEastShooters.com, and we regularly have members-only shoots up here in New England. Next one is on May 31st in Athol, MA - a fundraiser for a member who's got cancer (and no job) and the next one after that is on July 3rd. But we usually draw well over a hundred shooters, and shooters are usually the most generous folks around - you even just LOOK at a gun up at one of our shoots and you're liable to get handed the gun and a full magazine to try. (we love to show off our toys). I don't imagine that it's much different down in NJ... (Heck, if you're ever up here in MA sometime, send me a message (or an email through the board here) and I'd be happy to let you try anything in my gunsafe. I've got everything from .22s to a .44 Mag in handguns and a small selection of rifles, as well.

I do, too, Ken, but we're having a BIG problem securing a range. Basically what we need is a 25 meter range at least 25 meters wide with a good backstop. We need it for the entire weekend, as the program is two 8 hour days - start at 8:30 and run til about 5 PM. It doesn't need to be a gun club; a field would do as long as there's a berm so we can shoot safely. Project Appleseed will provide targets, target stands, instructors and Range Safety Officers (I'm an NRA certified RSO, myself) and even rent a porta-potty (if it's needed). Personally, since I'm driving down from MA for it, North Jersey would be my preference, but honestly, if it happens to be in Cape May, I don't care - I just want to see NJ get with the Appleseed Program. Sounds to me like there are a LOT of sleeping Americans there who've forgotten just what that little Revolution was all about... and we want to remind them. So... Anyone got a range - or even a field with a berm - where we can hold an Appleseed Shoot? Oh!! Did I mention? Cost for the weekend-long instruction is $70... unless you're under 21, in which case it's free. Or if you're a woman, in which case, it's free. Or active-duty military (need an ID), in which case (say it with me now), it's FREE. AND... if you're a Rev War reenactor (in period dress) OR an elected official - it's free. Yes, Project Appleseed is put on by the Revolutionary War Veterans Association, and we are a gen-u-wine non-profit. Our mission is much more important than making money...

Well... unless they're Ruger Mark I, II, or III... or a 10/22. Those are designed to be dryfired - you CANNOT hurt the firing chamber by doing so.

Please. NJEA-endorsed history is what got me a D- in history in high school - modern teaching methods suck the life out of history and make it as boring, dry, dull and dead as they can. Now, when I run an Appleseed Shoot and talk about what happened on 4/19/1775, I do my darndest to try and put all my shooters right with me on Lexington Greed, facing a line of redcoats. I tell them about the 8 pairs of fathers and sons who were standing there in the light of the rising sun... and how 5 of those pairs were shattered by death. I tell them about how the Redcoats marched 16 miles to Concord... in wet wool pants, in boots that had wooden soles (and weren't made left and right, either), and were getting pretty nervous the whole way because the entire countryside seemed to be awake... and aware of where they were going and why. I talk about Captain Isaac Davis, the captain of the Acton Minuteman company, and how his 4 children were sick on that morning... and how, when he left for Concord with his men, he simply turned to his wife and said, "Take care of the children". It was the last time she ever saw him, as he was one of the first killed at the North Bridge. I tell the shooters, especially the young ones, what the death toll was that day - the oldest colonist killed was 79... and the youngest, 13. I sure got the attention of my 13 year old shooter two weeks ago at the shoot in Throop, NY with THAT little bit of info. I talk about "Dangerous Old Men" - men like Hezekiah Wyman, who the Regulars nicknamed "Death on a Pale Horse", and Samuel Whittemore. (I'll let the readers google those names for more info).

Does the ammo have to be in a locked case, or can it just be stored, in, say, an ammo can? Same question for the firearm - does it need to be in a locked case? I seem to remember from the dim past when I lived in NJ that it did. Or does a trigger / cable lock on the firearm in an unlocked case count? (I intend to visit a friend who is still in NJ and I'd rather stay on the right side of the laws!)

Greetings form the Frozen North - well... Massachusetts, anyway. I was born and brought up in Fair Lawn and moved to MA back in '87. Got my first gun from J&J Guns in Bayonne, NJ back in 1981 - a S&W Model 19. (and my second gun was from Service Merchandise! A 10/22). Anyway, I stumbled across this board a couple of days ago. Usually, I spend most of my time hanging out on www.appleseedinfo.org - the home board for Project Appleseed - a history class cleverly disguised as marksmanship training. ).

It isn't just you, Ben. When I got my first guns (back in '81!), I got a half-hour long lecture from my older sister on how "by owning guns you're opening yourself up to the path of violence". :roll: 28 years later, I'm still shooting (and have never so much as pulled my gun on anyone), she's now a vegetarian... and I've taught her son and daughter how to shoot. :twisted: Payback is a... well, you know. Hang in there!

Greetings from a former Jersey boy - escaped to MA in '87. First gun was a S&W Model 19, bought back in '81. Second was a Ruger 10/22, bought a month or two later. Didn't buy a centerfire rifle until about three years ago - an M1 Garand. As has been said before, just didn't have a place to shoot it when I lived in NJ - I lived in Fair Lawn. Also, I didn't KNOW anyone to TEACH me how to use a rifle, either - I'm the first gun owner in my family since probably the Civil War... and my great-great-uncles, AFAIK, turned theirs in when they mustered out. tbtrout, you're right... and you're wrong, in a sense. There's a new national program called Project Appleseed that teaches two things during weekend-long workshops: Marksmanship and history. Specifically, we teach rifle owners how to become RifleMEN - to take any rack-grade military surplus rifle and make hits on a target out to 500 yards: 4 MOA, that is. We also teach the story of April 19th, 1775 - Patriot's Day - Concord and Lexington - and what our forefathers did to secure our freedom and our rights. We're trying to revive the tradition of the American Rifleman, and turn us back into a nation of Riflemen. We're doubling in size every year - we will be holding over 300 shoots across the country this year, and we plan on 600 next year. We haven't yet had an Appleseed Shoot in NJ because it's tough to secure a range! We're still trying, though - we have something in the works for July down in Winslow, NJ. I just found this board, and I will stick around and let you folks know when we get you guys going in NJ. Meanwhile, though, if you don't mind a little driving, we have shoots in CT and PA going on all summer. http://www.appleseedinfo.org is our website with the schedule and all sorts of info on what to bring and what goes on during the weekend. We also have a forum, as well. I should be down at the first shoot in Jersey - I promised our NJ State Coordinator that I would, and I've got dibs on being the Shoot Boss (since I'd love nothing better than to teach folks in my old home state to shoot better and teach them a little history). Ross AKA the Dwarven1 Instructor Northeast Regional Coordinator Project Appleseed.