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If you want to start at the top, you might have to consider getting an AR, and possibly sending it to ADCO or someone who can NJ-legal it for you. Personally, to me the top brands are Noveske and Daniel Defense. Caine has a DD that is pretty darn nice. Otherwise, there is a great sticky somewhere on this forum that links to another forum who breaks down the different manufacturers very well. http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81462 is that link actually. Aside from the ones you listed, I know DPMS is another excellent, cheap system that you can build on. And honestly, almost every brand makes an NJ legal flat top model it seems.

RIP. In the aftermath as the details get sorted out, I'm curious if the media and Jersey City will release any information that indicates that some of the tactics may have been... well, not so tactical. I mean no disrespect by bringing this up, but there has to be a level of accountability. I am not familiar with law enforcement special tactics. I am familiar with operational tactics though, and while I know military operations are mostly different from special tactics operations, they do share some similarities. What irks me is that the two slain criminals were not, from our knowledge, highly trained operatives that specialized in small weapons tactics. The weapon (as that was its intended use in this case) was an NJ legal (albeit stolen in SC) gun that simply proved it would go bang when the trigger was to be pulled. My point here is that the weapon itself gave no real advantage to the scum that wielded it either. From the initial reports, it seems as though the LEOs had the tactical advantage in numbers, schematics, equipment, and timing (I've read the breach was executed around 0530, correct me if I'm wrong). I know "sh-t happens," but even with all the chips stacked in favor of the LEOs, they still lost the primary objective of the breach-- getting casualties. To me, this means there HAD to have been a lack of tactics somewhere along the line. I have also read that the department could have waited out the two slain assailants, basically taking them out with attrition (or moving in after a few hours, when the two targets would have been mentally and physically exhausted). From initial reports it sounds as though the department made a hasty decision after the slain targets initially shot at the police (who were indirectly involved-- the ones who were cruising by in the squad car), and quickly pursued action. I know that there was apparently enough time to evacuate the area prior to the breach, but I still see a lack of tactics here. My prayers go out to those who were involved, and all should be highly commended for executing their objective. However, in this aftermath where politicians and city authorities are calling for action against a means (firearms), and not an end, I really hope the proper investigation helps JCPD and other PDs realize the vital, vital, VITAL importance of operational awareness. There is a reason why you never hear about military intelligence/operational folk, and also the reason why when we fail, we are absolutely manhandled. It cannot be overlooked in this case either, using scapegoats and whatnot.

The Colony is a new show that I believe will start tomorrow, 21 JUL at the 10PM slot on Discovery. I heard about it a few weeks ago, but actually read into it again recently. Its a reality-based show (ugh) that gets ten specialists together to see if they can survive and thrive in a post-apocalyptic scenario. What is interesting is that it'll be based in an urban environment type setting (apparently set up right outside of LA), and it isn't some show about drama (I hope not at least). The volunteers are all real-life specialists (ER nurse, doctor, engineers, mechanics, etc), and the scenario is set up by homeland security experts and others to make it as true-to-life as possible. I find that interesting because though it will ultimately be reality-based television, there might be some relevant and pertinent information that comes out of it (due to the fact that we NJ residents are in the most densely populated regions in the world). There is more info on the official site, as well as the schedule: http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/colony/colony.html?campaign=dsc-int-hp-dl-cy

No problem, I was just looking through Savage Arm's bolt actions, and tripped across it

usnmars, mind showing a picture of your M1A? I'm an AR guy myself, but now that I have my AR, I want more of a precision-type rifle. I've been looking at the M14 and M1A-series of Springfield Armory. I have had the chance to toy around with the Mk14 Mod 0 and some other SOPMOD Mk14s, but I'm looking for more of the traditional type. I've read that the M14s are pretty much coming out of one company (Fulton Armory) because I really don't want to count on Norincos. I know that a brand new one retails for like 2500+, so, reason why I'm considering a possibly cheaper (and more aftermarket friendly) M1A. So, if anybody really has any experience with them, feel free to share!

http://www.savagearms.com/accustockdefault.htm If you go to the Savage Arms main page, there is a HUGE banner that has a diagram of the 3D bedding system that links to the url above.

I don't reload myself, but a guy I subscribe to on youtube made a video of his setup, and some action-- and explains some. Some of you may have seen some of his videos. He's a big glock guy, but shoots pretty much everything and has a range I drool over every time I watch his videos (right in his backyard).

I keep the same thing in my vehicle, oldslabsides, for the same purpose. Plus, the flashlight can be used for hundreds of other functions.

I found this over at ar15.com, definitely a good laugh (and operational!): http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=19&t=402350

I've always seen the guns walked to the front of the store (had both of mine as well)... is it some small fine print thing that dealers have to do to insure the person actually pays for it?

http://www.njgunforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1799

Gunting, my buddy got his FID and PPs in Hamilton, and says the turn-around time there is pretty good (four weeks for him to get a brand new FID). So, I could imagine that the rest of their paperwork isn't too bad. I'll try to get my buddy on here to explain first hand experiences. And hello from a former Plainsboro "neighbor"

Yea, I was watching the late night news about what had happened. To me it seemed that the authorities were up in arms about the weapon used, while the locals of JC could care less about the weapon in question, but the lack of response from the JC authorities in combating scum like this. I too am hoping for a speedy recovery as well for the wounded. The response to me is the classic case of "means vs. ends." The authorities are treating the firearm has an "end," while it really is a "means." EVERYBODY ELSE realizes this, yet, these yuppies are preaching this garbage when they should be doing something about the actual problem.

I have a gamertag as well, I just never remember it-- so, I'll have to post that later. I personally can't stand playing FPS with a game controller. I'll admit it, I'm a nerd, having started with the side scrollers way back when, and really got into gaming with Wolfenstein 3D/Doom/Quake. For me, those games were pivotal my youth, as I'm only 23. During high school I actually played a lot of Counter-Strike, played locally and nationally, and was an administrator for the online leagues CAL and CPL (if anybody knows of those; they were the predecessors to the current day gaming leagues). I joined the Army, and left my online celebrity life behind :roll: ... and learned to do most of that stuff you do in games in real life-- far more enjoyable, haha.

so would earmarks be like catapults for the pigs... the illusion that they can fly, but splat with no control?

Hello and welcome from Plainsboro

Yea, I have a buddy who went the traditional route of studying criminal justice (graduated w/ BA), interned with NJSP and two local municipalities, worked for RU campus security, and has connections with some LEOs-- and still can't find any openings. I told him to broaden his options, like NYPD or Federal, but that's not quite his bowl of soup-- so, can't force it down his throat. Honestly, if he had joined the Army with me, we would've probably signed up as MPs together, but it didn't play out like that. I've personally taken the NYPD exam, received an invitation to start the rest of the process, but declined as I chose to stay in school and go a different route. Best of luck.

Hello and welcome!

Well, I know the theoretical situation here is that you're in a position where you have to discharge the gun. Though, honestly, if there was any chance for collateral damage (IE bystanders, crowd), I would not even consider drawing.

That's a solid idea, cold shot, exactly what I'm planning on doing. I already bought my MP15, but I'll be investing in another upper (probably a 20''), buffer/spring, complete bolt system, and stock... so, pretty much buying another rifle with the exception of a lower

And now I have to sit through another Sopranos marathon...

Very nice rifles all around. I'm considering an ACE stock (shorty version) myself because I have shorter arms, and find that it'd probably be more comfortable. The ACE stocks are also pretty cheap and come with that handy sling swivel.

Noveske is right up there at the top in terms of quality... pricey, but combat proven.

I initially got a sub compact thinking it would just feel better in my hands (I've got sausages for fingers), but I came to realize that it makes no difference. So, my next pistol is going to be a full-sized duty-type pistol. But as for my SC, I agree with Digz... I'm not going to be in NJ forever, so, when that day does come, I'll be ready to cc 8-)

Can't speak for the other services, but the Army I knew was all about the metric system.