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4WD is so 90's. AWD is in

I'm going through it now... but this is a direct link from the NJ OEM site: http://www.state.nj.us/njoem/law.html

Yea, I must admit I'm a closet fan of nutnfancy. While I wouldn't agree with some things he says, he does provide a great service for a wide range of users. And even then, I'm a big fan of his reviews and run-n-guns (like the one in the vid). I would actually highly recommend his Urban Survival Kit three part review. Its not so much the materials he's reviewing, but it really gets you thinking and gives you some great ideas. As for run-n-guns, I would think the closest we could get would be the AR/AK courses that professionals like Chris Fry and MDTS have every once in awhile (though I'm sure somebody who has taken the course could better comment). I know that BA is finishing up (or has finished?) their "kill house," which would be interesting for force-on-force training... but its not nearly the same as running your own equipment and gear. Maybe somebody has a buddy in PA that has some open land that we can do some run-n-guns on!

weather.com has already upgraded most of NJ from winter storm watch to winter storm warning... I guess I won't have to skip out on classes Wednesday morning now!

Maybe a LEO can chime in on what gave the authorities the right to confiscate legal firearms, but it did happen in the wake of Katrina. I don't know if it was DHS or a state thing. Personally, I'd be the one to tell the authorities to piss off if they tried to confiscate my firearms and evacuate me... but if it was the absolute law, what choice would I have? I, and I'm sure Maks and others would agree on this forum, that none of us advocate breaking the law (which I think should have been stated as a disclaimer previously). While its debatable, I believe what separates us, law abiding citizens... society really, from the "horde" (or our primordial selves) is our ability to govern and be governed (whether its our own morals, or the laws we live under). I think the moment we break from that, we've just become another statistic... another "zombie," another person who will either be a problem or eventually be the consequence of one. So, while this is a great topic, lets not forget that 1. this is the internet and anybody can read what we say and misconstrue it! and 2. be logical, and not say stupid stuff (not that anybody has... I'm just saying it before someone does).

BCEagle said what I was going to say... I think the most important resource is water. I don't mind humping a couple hundred miles if need be, or making some fire using what I have on hand. But water? Like Pete said, if you're depending on nature, that's probably when it'll fail you! Haha. In any situation... if you're home, first thing you should do when you realize SHTF is to fill up any container with water. Cups, tupperware, canteens, bowls, sinks, bathtubs, etc. Unless you have a dedicated source (like a well), I think its the first utility that will be missed. If you're at the office or whatnot, fill up a used water bottle or something like a Nalgene if you have one-- and then start figuring out what to do. There's a reason why the Army (and I'm sure the other services) train you to drink at least 8 quarts a day during Basic. I'm pretty sure it was rauchman, or someone, that introduced me to zombiehunters.org... absolutely freaking great site, for both novelty reasons, gun pron, and good prepping info. I recommend it highly. As for Ray Ray's topic that's grown into a multi-paged monster, this may be the best topic so far on NJGF, haha. As for what I would do if SHTF... I would bug-in first, assess, and, if need be, get in contact with a group of like-minded people... honestly, being in NJ, if something were to happen at any scale (zombies, natural disaster, Red Dawn-invasion, etc) I'm pretty sure we'd be screwed, haha

I totally agree, Maks and Kdp. I wish the US would buy a micro island somewhere in the Pacific, or use our property on Guam or the Marshall Islands to house them... and hell, if if ever gets overcrowded, the US does missile tests still in the Marshall Islands... and you know those things, always malfunctioning But seriously, wouldn't harsher punishments alleviate a lot of the problems... maybe convincing criminals that going to prison is no vacation or place to gain rep.

Chad, like BCEagle said, its definitely a reference to all SHTF situations... zombies is just a delicate and encompassing way of describing the "evil" out there Though, as tech and medical progresses, I think the possibility definitely increases for something like actual zombies to happen (plus the fact that the next major terrorist attack in the US will probably be a bio/chemical attack). As for my ultimate plan, I have a buddy in the Mid-west who lives with his father on their family farm in a pretty desolate area. However, unless I can get someone to fly me out there, I don't see myself trekking across the whole nation and arriving in one piece.

Hello and welcome from the central portion.

Agreed, NJ609. Most of the people in any community (with exceptions to places that have a history of disasters, the Gulf regions for example) are not prepared to face disaster of any kind. In suburbia, I think groups of people/families would be fine for the first week or two... maybe even the first month (depending on the season and how much they take advantage of places like Costco and Sams Club). Even then many people don't understand the concept of rationing, and by the time they adjust, they might have depleted their resources. So, I would almost put money on it that they would become looters... and well, simply put, looting is bad (I've seen some pictures of "law and order" in Haiti trying to rein in the looters... none of it NSFW, nor do I want to link any of it). My family has some space, and fortunately my grandmother keeps a garden (and has been teaching me some tricks). Given if SHTF, and it were the right season, I'd probably have to post security so it wouldn't get ransacked... otherwise, I'll just hop into the car, load up on all the B's I can find, and be on my way to Tim's!

I need to get this done. Maybe I will make a drive out there in the near future...

Hello and welcome!

I figured I was already, considering I'm a central/south person myself! Honestly, this type of talk reminds me that I should really get to know my neighbors. Fortunately I'm blessed to live in an area where everyone has a good amount of personal space (even though its suburbia). But having been gone for the past couple of years, I never really had the chance to network with anyone... though, I am pretty sure one of my neighbors is a Vet, the other helps manage a construction company, as well as other interesting characters.

I just got my machete actually, haha. I plan on doing some camping with my friends/fam this Spring and Summer, and figured I should finally get one. Admittedly I don't keep it in my vehicle, but instead keep an Extrik-8-R from CRKT (came packaged with my MAK-1). Since the only "blade" portion is the seatbelt cutter, I figure it wouldn't give any authority types the wrong impression. (I'm not a trained knife fighter, so, why would I carry a knife for self-defense?) It still has many features that would be useful if I was away from home/tools. As for my vehicle, I just have a duffel filled with first aid; a couple flashlights (whose batteries I should probably change out) and glow snap-sticks and lighters (from my smoking days); GPS; a blanket and jacket; and, uhh, a box from LE Target filled with 400 targets? Ha, I guess I could burn it if need be.

I actually have the Maxpedition FR1 pouch on one rig, and then the 5.11 6.6 med pouch (http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/ ... 11/I/58715) on my other. Truth is that I'm by no means a medical professional, knowing CLS at best, and because of that my IFAK is pretty basic! Definitely the simple things like band aids, ibuprofen, sun tan lotion, hydrogen peroxide or rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer, variety of bandages (for [pressure] dressings), and things to use for splints and tourniquets. Probably throw in some chap stick, eye drops, and other small things that I'm forgetting too. As for my rigs that I would use... its the same setups I used for my mil career (some of the stuff that I kept too!), and the same rigs I would use for training and if SHTF I guess. My "light" rig focuses around the SKD/Eagle Universal Chest Rig (http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_Chest_Rig_U ... ag.567.htm). Also attached is the FR1 Med pouch. With this rig I would also wear my Maxpedition Jumbo Versipak since I couldn't really carry anything on the chest rig itself. My heavier rig focuses on the Condor Modular Operator Plate Carrier (http://www.condoroutdoor.com/mopcmodula ... rrier.aspx). I'm not a huge fan of Condor stuff, but I also didn't feel like dropping 200+ on a simple MOLLE plate carrier. Why a plate carrier? More real-estate; and this design also comes with a cummerbund, which makes it easier and more comfortable. I like this set up because I can attach far more pouches, and don't have to really worry about carrying any other bags (camelbak attached, 6.6 Med attached, enough pouches for all the crap attached as well). I also find it far more comfortable (and stable); its just a terrible pain to get on in a jiffy (Velcro hell). Edit to add: Its late, and I didn't feel like going into specifics about my setup (PM if you want to discuss, I'd rather not take up the forum space)... BUT Tim is right that its not about what you need, but what you might need when talking about a BOB. Personally, I know that if SHTF I would probably bug in, and that is why my setups are tailored to that... however, I do have other means (I have a plethora of packs, though no real good ones...) of lugging around more crap if the zombies broke through the front door

Haha, that kit is a bit weird. Earplugs that double as nose plugs... eh, I'll just stick with keeping my nose ear-free. And as for the 25' of 550, that's it? I have a few rolls of 100', and I'm pretty sure I'll probably get my hands on some more (stuff is great for everything). The one thing I have to really get together is my IFAKs... I have one in my vehicle, but none for my persons.

Zombieland is arguably not even that much of a zombie movie. Except for the fact that it takes place in a zombie post apocalyptic world (ZPAW), its a lot more substance then just flesh-eating savages. Definitely a good flick. As for Quarantine, that movie made me do a double take. It was a remake of the Spanish movie REC... even though the Spanish/original version had just come out in 2007! (Quarantine came out in 2008). The movie was interesting, and definitely eerie... I did like how the story showed you a bit, but nothing definitive on what was the actual cause (if I remember correctly). Something about dogs, and the mad doctor, and something. As for I am Legend... eh, those are suppose to be vampires! I definitely enjoyed the original Omega Man more (story-wise). An upcoming film though that, once more, will take its shot at the "zombie" genre is The Crazies. I don't know how good it'll be, but it definitely looks creepy.

I have to admit, I think about it sometimes. What type of "zombie" could actually exist? The whole "undead" thing is a bit far-fetched... but some crazy disease (like rabies or mad cow) that mutates people into super-aggressive/violent/primal creatures doesn't seem too far off. So, I'm going to go with Danny Boyle's depiction.

From what I've read/learned about disaster situations is that the best option is to stay where you're familiar. For a lot of us that is our own home. Some people have more favorable locations then others, but unless someone has a backup location I think bugging out (what people tend to think is the best immediate option) is dangerous for the person/group and the citizens out there. People who bug out are immediately refugees, and as honorable as people think they might be, people can get pretty desperate!

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopi ... =6&t=13017 !

Wait, who owns firearms and DOESN'T consider the need to prepare for the proverbial horde? Seriously. When I was in the military, I never gave much thought to owning a firearm. Between being issued brand new rifles, and working at a highly secure facility (where it was called "the building" and it was "behind the wire") that was located behind a fence that was already behind the fence of the military facility itself... plus, Ft Carson (and its ridiculous amount of BCTs and Cav regiments) being 60-70 miles away... not to mention that it was CO and everybody there is prepared for SHTF (well, at least everyone are quasi-survivalists between the blizzards/droughts/wild-fires). But once I got out and got into firearms, and then realized how things were continuing in a downward trend socially/economically, my love/fear of zombies (going back a decade or so) was reignited! So, yes, I definitely am not a complete "prepper," but I must admit I take the time to read zombiehunters.org and survivalblog.com... plus, if I learned anything from what I did in the military, its that I can't be ignorant to whats going on in the world and think that it would never happen to me or the community I live in. Add me to that list!

From a conversation I had with two LEOs, a DP officer (in CO), and a Professor who also does psych work for inmates, they have all said that the prison system in America isn't about reforming them... instead its about taking criminals off the street for an 'X' amount of time, and during that time the public is safe. So, basically, we, law-abiding citizens, are paying out of our own pockets to be safe... and yet, to be able to defend ourselves is ill-favored. Kind of F-ing pathetic. As for the kid, I hope he gets his act together. Hell, the Army would take him, haha.

Yes, the MP15 ORC model's gas block rails are level with the rest of the flattop rails. Do I recommend BUIS? Always. I think being able to shoot with irons is fundamental, though that's debatable. However, without delving too much into the mindset of SHTF/TEOTWAWKI, an AR type rifle is made for the purpose of being able to go bang every time regardless (whether its strictly used for target shooting or home defense/SHTF as well). Optics that rely on batteries are not guaranteed to work 100% of the time (same applies to any scope), and that's when you need those irons. Its a redundancy thing which I believe is paramount (same reason why you should have a backup BCG for instance). Good luck!

I heard about this over the summer, and thanks for the quick response, rscalzo. I didn't hear anything through the main channels myself; instead had an acquaintance in NJSP let me know casually.

Thanks for the info, Caine.