DirtyDigz

I *believe* (I’m not certain), that the online form will not allow you to continue if you enter an ORI # for a town that isn’t “online yet”. Look up your ORI # and give it a try:

Put a call into the LEO handling Firearm applications in my town about the Consent for Mental Health Records Search form (SP-066). They returned my call this morning and said that if you have lived in NJ for the past 10 years then it is covered with the online application. Per the LEO, you only have to go into the local PD if you've lived outside of NJ in the past 10 years. I suspect some towns were used to having the obscurity of the ORI codes act as a "control point". Welcome to the information age!

Here’s a listing of NJ ORI codes - it’s the 9 character ORI9 code in the far right column: https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/files/NACJD/ORIs/34oris.html

Because I have nothing better to do on a Friday night, some interesting things from the online FAQ: My emphasis added. Not sure if your town is participating? Get the ORI number (https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/files/NACJD/ORIs/34oris.html) and try to submit an app. If you get past the ORI field entry, then your town is likely participating. My emphasis added. My local PD contact didn't tell me this, just said "It's all online now, just go to the site". I wonder how many apps are going to sit unprocessed until people start to figure this out.... My emphasis added. Hrmm, the form asks do you have a driver's license (yes/no) and then the D/L # is "asterisked" as a required field if you say yes. Lying on the form is a felony, so fail to see how you can't disclose your D/L# without lying on the form.

I think it’s more accurate to say that NJSP set up the system first and all the municipalities are starting to use it exclusively.

My town went to this system as well. Just submitted for FID change and pistol permits this morning. Both my references contacted me within an hour to let me know they received reference check emails from NJSP. Shortly after that I received a status update from NJSP that one of the references had completed the reference check form. So far this is looking like a big improvement to the otherwise onerous process. No waiting for an appointment with local PD, same day contact to references via email instead of waiting for snail mail. It looks like the only contact with local PD will be to pick up documents and pay for purchase permits.

I believe the deadline to order rally swag that CNJFO is selling is in 2 days on 02/28 (You don't have to buy this gear to attend, but it does help support CNJFO). Order rally gear (including hi-viz vest) here: https://www.cnjfo.com/Rally

I believe the deadline to order rally swag that CNJFO is selling is in 2 days on 02/28. Order rally gear (including hi-viz vest) here: https://www.cnjfo.com/Rally

That’s a feature, not a bug.

March 26th. More info here: https://www.wethepeopleofnj.com/

Shotgun and rifle ammo I think you can sell without any worries. Handgun ammo - There is a section of NJ law that says it’s illegal for someone who does not have a valid FID to receive handgun ammo in NJ, so it’s possible a buyer who doesn’t have an FID could be committing a crime by buying from you. When I’ve sold handgun ammo in the past I’ve just requested that buyers show me their FID (I didn’t record it or save any details, just asked to see it).

It’s thinking like this that guarantees there won’t be “enough” attendees at the event. Go. Join us. Be part of the solution.

Wait, so I shouldn't send this letter I have composed asking about why airsoft isn't regulated to the Attorney General?

Thanks for the heads up, putting it on the calendar.

This is the direct link to the NJSP online processing site: https://www.njportal.com/NJSP/Fars Going to stop by my municipal police dept. soon and ask them about this.

NJ doesn’t draw a distinction between open or concealed. If you manage to satisfy the currently near-impossible justifiable need standard, you get a “carry” license which allows any kind of carry you want - open or concealed.

What kind of LYPKDM (Light Years per kg of Dark Matter) are you getting with that Dodge?

My view, reiterating what's been hashed out in this thread: Airsoft are "effectively" unregulated - you can buy them in stores/online without any paperwork, background check or registration. If you don't brandish them in public or use them to commit a crime then you'll probably never have any issues with them in NJ. However, they are "technically" firearms under NJ law - they meet the definition of a firearm, people have been charged and convicted under firearms statutes with them, and the state has employed an expert witness in at least one case to successfully argue that they meet the NJ statutory definition of a firearm. If you use airsoft in a way that pisses off law enforcement/the state you will likely find yourself charged under firearms statutes. I believe this situation exists because NJ either chooses to, or is negligent in, enforcing existing firearms statutes on airsoft.

Howdy!

I disagree. There's plenty of cases of NJ prosecuting people on hyper-technical/unreasonable interpretations of firearms law. A prosecutor and judge were able to convince a jury that the hollowpoint transportation exemptions did not allow transportation between residences in Brian Aitken's case. Lack of enforcement does not equal legality. I think it's obvious when you use airsoft guns in a way the state doesn't like, they come after you using the firearm definition. So do you now agree that, when the state decides it wants to, they will hold airsoft guns to the "firearm standard", and hire experts to testify to that effect? It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the statute reads. (If you do want to know what I think, I think NJ's "firearm" definition is utter horseshit). If I shoot metal darts or acid-soaked balls with the spitball tube, yeah, I might get charged with it as a firearm. I can only hypothesize why the State doesn't prosecute airsoft more often. Maybe airsoft guns were developed and came to the marketplace long after the statute was in place, and it was just negligence/inattention on NJ's part that allowed them to "set a precedent". Maybe the state only prosecutes them when they're involved in other criminal activity. I do believe that with the current statute all it would take to stop the sale of airsoft in NJ and start a crackdown on possession of them would be a directive from the AG's office. I bet it happens sometime during I doubt the state would do it that way, but yes, if they did it, and had a clueless/anti-RKBA jury, I believe they have a chance at getting a conviction on that with the current statute.

Agreed. It also does not define a BB gun as being covered. However, both bb guns and airsoft guns clearly meet the statutory definition of a firearm. Does every possible "firearm" that meets the statutory definition need to further have a statement that it is a "firearm"? Seems kind of...redundant. And millions of people exceed the speed limits every day, but are not charged. Doesn't mean it's legal, means it's not strictly enforced. Agree that there is a conception that Airsoft is legal. However, in my view, because Airsoft guns clearly meet the NJ statutory definition of firearms, they are subject to being enforced under NJ firearms law. Because they are not commonly enforced as such doesn't mean they can't be. Incorrect. STATE OF NEW JERSEY v. DARYL NORMAN Back to your above reply: Am I understanding correctly that you're saying popular perception trumps statute in criminal law?

Ahhh, found the old thread - we've had the discussion on "is Airsoft legal" before here: https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/80004-actor-using-airsoft-gun-in-low-budget-film-charged-in-nj/&page=2

Please let me know if you find something written. I currently believe that the only reason they're "legal" is that most (but not all!) LEO/prosecutors have chosen not to enforce firearms law in the case of Airsoft.

I guess we have to go to the text of the statute: Please show me where in NJ statutes BB guns are identified as firearms aside from meeting the above definition. I see nothing above that excludes Airsoft guns as meeting the definition. If they meet the definition of a firearm then all the NJ firearms laws can apply. Paintball guns get a pass because their projectile is > 3/8". Sure, because NJ state legislators have previously shown themselves to have a deep understanding of current firearms law and their legislative attempts should be relied upon instead of reading existing statutes... What is it that you think he was charged with? In case you didn't follow the case closely - He was initially charged with unlawful possession of a firearm. I believe it was only after the case started to attract publicity that he got offered a plea deal to causing a public disturbance instead.

Bruises and welts are injuries, and there are airsoft modified with enough velocity to break skin. I wouldn't want to be relying on that "injury" argument in court. Are airsoft "strictly" legal in NJ? In my opinion, no, an aggressive prosecutor could use existing law to charge you. I wouldn't classify airsoft as legal - I think a better description is "mostly non-enforced", but if you do something with an airsoft that the police/prosecutor don't like you may find yourself defending against a firearms charge. (See the Bellario case above).