DevsAdvocate

It is a LEO thing, because the burden of proof is one YOU. Or did you forget that in Police Academy? I shouldn't have to wait around while you're playing catch up.

Actually, the tax on firearm is not the problem, as you're buying a good/product. The NICS fee is a poll tax though.

Why 30? Why not 31? Or 40? Or 20? Why bother at all?

Your solutions are not logical at all. I don't see why NICS can't be used by everyone. FFLs are not special in this regard.

Not my problem you LEOs can't keep people's records up to date... I shouldn't have to wait for your lack of competence. Or did you forget the fact we're talking about a civil right here? Not a privilege.

Oh yeah, because we need an FFL to dial a phone number and tell the person on the other line your name and drivers license number!!! LOL Listen dude, just go. Go "appease" them... we'll see how far that gets you.

Vlad, the only ones here who are scared are you and BLF. Acting like a bunch of punks who don't know what it means to support and defend our inalienable Right to own firearms. Why the fugg are we always the ones who have to cave in to the other sides demands? Gun crime in our country is on it's way down under our present system, so why the hell are we as a group getting punished. Those anti-gun assholes always want more, more, more. I say NO! We should be fighting to lessen the restrictions on firearms, we should be able to own SBR full auto weapons if we damned well please. We should be able to carry our guns, own suppressors, and not deal with FFLs. We should be able to order guns and ammunition using AMAZON PRIME! But no, folks like you are willing to bend over and take it instead of fighting for what is rightfully ours. Guess what, you can appease them all you want, but it's not gonna stop them.

How long does it take to check out false info... goodness. Type it into a system, check it, done. But if NICS is down? I don't think I have to wait because the Government is incompetent at doing its job.

I don't think it's fair for NICS to be a user-fee system. It's akin to a poll tax.

Dude, face it, no one wants your idea. It sucks because no one wants to have to go out of their way to go to an FFL. If you're SOOOOOOOOOOO worried about the non-problem of FtF transfers, then simply let everyone access NICS. Give everyone an FFL with an FFL number, and let them access NICS to run other people's FFL/FFL number. Make it a smartphone app and you've just eliminated a dumb system of bureaucracy. Simple solution.

NICS has been down plenty of times. Especially during States of Emergencies. Frankly, I believe that if NICS doesn't give you a response in 24 hours, then the transaction should automatically be allowed to proceed.

Again, this solution means that my Right to Keep and Bear Arms is predicated on someone else's ability to supply them to me... I don't want to have to drive my ass to an FFL to meet some guy before the FFL closes to transfer a rifle. It's stupid. Just give me access to NICS and be done with it. As for the NICS fee? I don't get why we as gun owners are footing the bill for this at all. It should be paid for by the taxpayers AT LARGE. Do we pay money to vote? NOPE! So I shouldn't pay money for a background check. There are no stats which definitively show FtF transfers are any more of an issue than Straw Buyers. None. Until you manage to come up with that, then shut your trap. I already provided an effective solution to this "non-problem" and it's giving everyone access to NICS. Boom! Done! Non-problem solved without requiring a middleman FFL. Stop parroting your same crap in this thread. No one wants to have to run to an FFL to transfer a rifle between father and son, husband and wife, or friend to friend. Almost everyone on this forum depends on FtF transfers to sell guns at our leisure. Frankly, I could care less about criminals getting their hands on guns, because as I mentioned earlier, it's not really too difficult for them to do so. HECK, EVEN IN ENGLAND, THEY STILL MANAGE TO GET THEM!

Not really. Like I said... buy a few guns, let them get "stolen", and profit. See? So now you've eliminated a non-problem with FtF sales, and moved to Straw Purchases. Good job guys, you have accomplished NOTHING while making things a pain in the ass for the rest of us.

Firstly, who know where those guns are coming from? Is there any actual evidence that FtF transfers are the cause? Because guess what: FtF transfers aren't super high volume. Sure a criminal or two might get one or two guns. But the money is in straw purchasing. You can buy handguns/rifles at a wide variety of gun shops, get the checked, then report them "stolen". If they want to come for FtF transfers, which I don't get why they would, because Sandy Hook had nothing to do with THAT, then just open NICS up to everyone, issue FFLs like candy, and just let people buy guns easily. Frankly, it's time to reform the system and cut the stupid out. Forcing everyone to go to an FFL is pretty friggin dumb. That's not fixing anything either.

What do you mean they aren't an issue? It's so easy? Apply for an FFL, get a few PPPs, and then buy all the guns you want! Even better, all you need to do is put them all in a safe, go on a long vacation, tell a few "friends" and come back to a house where your cheapo gun safe was busted open. One and done. FtF transfers aren't the problem, and your solution in stopping them won't stop illegal guns any more than an FFL will. Frankly, I don't see why we need FFLs anymore in this day in age. NICS pretty much makes them obsolete.

Because in an FtF, you need to be sure the person you're selling to isn't a criminal. I know most folks on these forums aren't criminals, I know my friends aren't criminals, I know my family aren't criminals. If I don't know you, then I won't sell to you. But if I sell to you, and I'm not reasonably sure you're not a criminal, then it's on me. NJ makes such a defense easy because we have FPIDs and PPPs. Other states are a bit more loose. As for the comparison, it's because both are privately owned items. I don't care how 'restricted' one appears, it's still just a piece of property.

Stop being such a damned pansy about it. It's not like FtF transfers are a major problem. They appear "sketchy" but let's face it. It's not like the FFL system is exactly foolproof. One guy can supply a whole army's worth of goons by being a straw purchaser.

It's a joke, how? How is that even worse than a STRAW PURCHASE? Oh yeah... you forgot about that one, eh Vladdy boy? Good luck stopping those by running it all through NICS! lol

Honestly, opening NICS to everyone is the best solution. In fact, tying each firearm to a NICS transaction and doing so electronically though a program on the computer or your phone is a pretty solid deal. We can also eliminate the entire FFL system too! Imagine that, no more need to pay some guy to call a phone number to give them your ID info to transfer you a gun! Cut out the middle man!

Oh, please. Whatever it is, it doesn't matter. It's a private sale between myself and someone else. If they do something crazy with it, then you can hold me responsible. Until then, sod off.

Restricted in certain ways, but not all. There is nothing illegal about transferring a rifle from one person to another in a middle location.

Neither are there laws banning the possession of an AR-15 either, so what's your point? I already gave you an alternative I am willing to support: Civilian Access to NICS. Supply NICS with the DL# and SS# of the buyer, and wait for the 'OK' to transfer. Piece of cake. Also, get rid of the $15 NICS fee and make the taxpayers foot the bill for the service. Heck, I would go as so far to create a NICS iPhone/Android APP, that way you skip the telephone call and operator and just get the transfer. I don't see why the latter is so difficult to do. I also don't see why I need to go to an FFL for every little thing.

Nope. It's the transfer of privately owned goods from one person to another. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's not crazy. Substitute AR-15 with 'Rare Comic Book', and it's not sketchy? WTF? I Want to transfer a shotgun from Father to Son? Go to an FFL? WTF!

What do you mean? All NICS tells you is if you can proceed or not.