DevsAdvocate

Nice! I always wondered why more CNG vehicles weren't sold to the public. CNG is dirt cheap and American supplies are huge.

How do these turn-ins get passed the OGAM and Pistol Permit limitations established by the states?

You don't seem to get it dude... the fact that the 'good cops' sit on their asses and let the 'bad' ones get away from this behavior hurts you all. With the responsibility of upholding the law, you should be held to a higher standard than other people and punished far more severely. I mean shit... when a cop breaks the law, it's always worse because they're supposed to know the laws and enforce them on others. Personally, the police officers involved should face 50 lashes in front of the State promptly followed by being fired, pensions revoked, license to drive revoked, and barred from any state job. Perhaps even a revocation of their firearms rights as well. As for the owners of the automobiles in question: immediate confiscation by the state and put them up for auction + $500,000 fine. Drivers will have licenses revoked and be banned from driving through the state of NJ permanently.

I was contemplating purchasing one... They look real nice. Maybe next time. I need to learn more about them.

Just got back yesterday, approx. 23 hours round trip (left Friday at 2130~2200, I made it back home at 2000hrs)... we loaded down the car quite heavily! Gotta watch the bumps: My share of what's in there...

Yeah, the worse alternate is this: during the investigation, the police find your safe full of 'NJ Legal' AR-15s and AKs, and magazines, proceed to forget the laws, overzealous DA sees that you're some kind of gun-nutjob, tacks on Assault Weapons charges and even a few counts of possessing a high-capacity magazines (because they look evil) and possession of hollowpoints (you're branded a psycho in preparation to murder some cops), and you live in a liberal county with a judge who hates you because you dared to act in your own peril and own a gun. You go to jail on a 20 year manslaughter sentence (or some similar length), lose your source of income, lose your house (and all your guns), lose your family, and try to win on appeal... if you get lucky. Even when you do get out, the family of the dead man comes at you with civil suits claiming you caused a wrongful death, literally sucking the last ounces of life out of you until you just want to die. Throughout all this, the media is constantly assassinating your character, and that douchenozzle who used to run Ceasefire NJ partners up with Sen. Menendez and Lautenberg (He's probably a zombie at this point) to crucify you, and use the event to pass a law called "<insert name of dead guy>'s Law" to protect the people of the (not) Great State of NJ from gun hoarding low-lifes like you. The law requires that you can only buy one gun a year, and the magazine limit is dropped to 10. All guns are to be colored fire-engine read and emit loud beeping noises so police may ascertain that you are armed from the next county over.

Panicked neighbors call the cops, cops ruin your day by taking your gun, taking you down to the PD, making you re-count everything (hopefully after seeking counsel), asking you shit like "why didn't you run in the house and call 911? why didn't you retreat?", then some prickly-a** DA decides you should be tried for manslaughter, local NJ newspapers call you a trigger-happy dickhead, people comment on nj.com that you have a small dick, eventually charges get dropped, your stuck with thousands of dollars in legal fees, and it takes five more years for the cops to turn your gun over to you...

People don't want to be informed, they want to be angry and break shit.

I think it holds 4+1. It's the same as mine, but without that contraption at the end of it.

Well... they are still available... lol

Cost. The Python required some hand-fitting to produce. Colt is also a union-shop, so their workforce is expensive.

It depends on the nature of the attack. Zimmerman said that TM was slamming his head into the ground...

I'm in.

I would think that information is irrelevant to the police/911 operator. Even if he was an official member of the neighborhood watch, that position conveys no authority at all.

The issue here is that the law doesn't apply here. The law protects your from having a 'duty to retreat'. He didn't shoot Trayvon from 15 feet away because he felt threatened... he was already under attack. This is a justifiable homicide.

He didn't continue 'pursuit' of crap. He was trying to relay information to the police as to the whereabouts of TM. It's not like he was chasing the kid down or anything trying to arrest him. In fact, he actually complied with police and did stop following him. All he did was leave his vehicle to see which way Trayvon went when he cut through other peoples' lawns. Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ... Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing? Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring... Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area... Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses. Dispatcher: OK... Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me. Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111? Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse... Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now? Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me. Dispatcher: OK. Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male. Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks? Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens. Dispatcher: Late teens ok. Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is. Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here? Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse. Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse? Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running. Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running? Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood. Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards? Zimmerman: The back entrance...friggin [disputed/unintelligible] Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. Zimmerman: Ok Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name? Zimmerman: George...He ran. Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name? Zimmerman: Zimmerman Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from? Zimmerman: [redacted] Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there? Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at? Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that's my truck...[unintelligible] Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of? Zimmerman: I don't know, it's a cut through so I don't know the address. Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area? Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible] Dispatcher: What's your apartment number? Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is. Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then? Zimmerman: Yeah that's fine. Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you around there okay? Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at? Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that's no problem. Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it? Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [redacted] Zimmerman: Yeah you got it. Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I'll let them know to call you when you're in the area. Zimmerman: Thanks. Dispatcher: You're welcome.

George Zimmerman is innocent. 1. Florida's Stand Your Ground Law has no application here. The law protects you if you act against a threat, not actually being attacked. GZ fired while his assailant was already on top of him and beating him. The window for this law's applicability had passed. 2. According to Zimmerman/Police Statements, he didn't go 'looking for Trayvon', he left the vehicle to ascertain TM's direction (who apparently left the sidewalk and began to cut through peoples' property). GZ stayed on the phone while he did this (it's on the 911 transcript), but he lost TM's trail. The call to 911 ended with him returning to his vehicle when TM confronted him. 3. There is physical evidence of GZ's wounds. Pending the release of the autopsy, I think it will prove without the shadow of a doubt that he fired on TM while he was attacking him.

"We don't need you to do that" != instruction. At most, it's a suggested course of action...

I know this isn't really a joking matter... but:

What bull crap.

I remember hearing some 'talk' when waiting to pick up my firearm from an FFL. Some dudes talking about burglaries in their neighborhood (in a wealthy community) where some of them possessed class III stuff and were worried about it being lost. I asked them how anyone can own stuff like that, and their response was something along the lines of: if you have enough money, you can make anything legal. FWIW, it's probably BS. But from the looks of the cars these guys were driving and where the FFL was... who knows.

You could always get one with a combo barrel... that way you can use it for both clays and HD... or hunting and HD.

I'd find it hard to believe every single judge is a liberal in this state... I would wager they would suffer some professional repercussions if they gave away permits like candy on Halloween night.

I didn't mention lawsuits. But judges don't want to be held responsible for this stuff. I don't know why, but they don't. Otherwise, why would they care so much and deny people all the time?

Yeah, but we're in NJ.