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Re-classifying CO2 as a pollutant was a brilliantly hilarious move on their part. But how would they even go about enforcing the most ridiculous notions of respiration regulation? The other question: does following the law or breaking the law ultimately determine if someone is a good and decent person?

Just asking how one is enforced, not so much worried about getting caught. So if you're a 'law-abiding citizen' with a clean record, then they have no reason to even bother. So use a local rental car, friends car, etc? Or just don't buy one at a gun show location? Goodness gracious, these laws are written by knuckleheads. It's got to be very easy for criminals to procure firearms through these means. True. Strike it up to the good ol' Catholic guilt trip or fear of a Federal Colonoscopy. But honest folks aren't the issue here... seems to me the law in question is pretty much enforced by the honor system more than anything else and of little consequence to those who really don't care.

Apparently, me neither.

I do give a crap in the sense that I would never do it. But hypothetically speaking, how are these laws even realistically enforceable? This is the issue I'm trying to dig act. For example: You don't need any FPID/PP to own a firearm, no? So then how is possession determined? From what I understand, you don't keep the 4473 when you do buy the firearm legally from an FFL (in NJ we get the COE and copies of the PP), and if you do face to face sales within a state, there are no records of ownership of that firearm anyways until it re-enters the FFL system. Furthermore, what about someone who does a face-to-face as a resident of PA, then moves to NJ, why does the fact of residency even matter if in the end, the firearm still crossed the Delaware? At what point did that extra step of residency really matter in the progression of those events? Did it make the user somehow less violent? Did it make them less inclined to break the law?

I understand the law, but if the law is unenforceable, then is it really a law? I'm just questioning how it is enforced (if it is). For example, the geniuses in Washington DC can pass a law that says you can only breathe air comprised of 40% oxygen... but how would it be enforced? Would you, the "law-abiding at heart" then breathe out of oxygen bottles to stay in compliance? This is a ridiculous example, of course, but just goes to show some of the ridiculousness in firearms regulation between the states and by the Federal Gov't.

Why is it such a big deal to converse on this? Obviously, the answer to the OP's question regarding to COEs in out of state purchases, then the answer is "no". As to the question of face-to-face transfers, that's a bit different seeing as it's a mess of Federal and State law. I'm just pointing out an obvious loophole in all instances of the matter that goes to show the lack of logical thinking on the part of folks in charge of writing and drafting laws. Sure... you and I may not do this, but then again, what's really stopping anyone else?

Ah, alas, we have the crux of the matter: in your case there is a victim. But who is the victim in the evil scheme of a firearm transfer outside of the eyes of the Federal Gov't? If that Mossberg 500 is sitting in the corner of your closet and is never used, did anyone get hurt?

Oh shush. I edited it to ask a legitimate question. Carrying concealed is a far greater risk than buying a Mossberg 500 in a face to face in PA and leaving it in your closet in NJ... but if you never use the shotgun in the commission of a crime, then how would anyone find out? Who would care? Does Federal Law require a 4473 for face to face transactions within a state? If the answer is no, then there really is no control on the matter. As for the 'criminal at heart, law-abider at heart', thanks for the laugh. I'm a real evil and nefarious individual for asking about an obvious loophole in Federal Law.

But how would you be caught? This isn't so much advocacy of violating Federal Law... but aside from committing a crime with the weapon, how would anyone be the wiser?

That's almost the opposite of my experience with S&W... when my S&W .22-A broke after one shot, they had me ship it free to them and back to get it fixed. Thinking back, I really shoulda asked for some free swag for that thing breaking... ugh.

What's stopping you from doing a Face to Face? Those don't require a Form 4473, right?

I don't think you need a COE for out of state face to face purchases.

Why was she unhappy over that?

The Hillary Lock runs strong in their revolvers though. And I think that is what he (the poster you were replying to) is referring to. Both S&W and Ruger really futzed up their image by adding those stupid locks to their wheelguns.

Glock 34s are very nice competition guns. Though, for something like that, I would do some trigger work. But rarely are competition pistols left stock, usually some modification or professionalization is done to make it a better shooter.

Sold my Kimber TLE/RL II and my AR-15... don't miss either since they were redundant firearms.

12 people not a statistically significant number make. One can also say "12 people, only 1 M&P" according to your groups firearm demographic.

Good for them. But the winning of a few contracts does not mean Smith and Wesson is completely owning Glock... If I remember correctly, Gaston's group still holds the lionshare of all LEO contracts, and have for quite some time. Heck, how many Glocks does the NYPD use on it's own? As a Glock owner, I do have some issues with them though... Like: -Why no single stack compact 9mm? This would dominate the CCW market -Why no single stack full-size .45? They make the Glock 36, why not make something bigger with a thin grip. Given the popularity of 1911s, this could be as close to a "Glock 1911" that we can get. -Why no Glock pistol carbines? Berretta makes them and gets a decent market share out of it. You can build them to both civilian and LEO markets by offering semi-auto and select-fire variants. Plus, you can use those 33-round 9mm mags now, lol Glocks are great, but the company is missing the boat on a lot of potential offerings to the civvvy market. But seeing as LEO is their top earner, they won't care about products aimed at us peons.

This would be true if the ammo was gimmicky, but it looks like legitimate defense ammo that just has some branding on it. Right? Or is this some new special ammo?

How do I add friends on EA origins? I got the PC version.

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A button labeled "Self-Destruct" placed right next to my Alarm Clock... so far so good...

This fact alone is why I really don't feel bad putting up $250 to join. Even if I chose not to renew the year after, I can take solace in supporting the range in its first year.

They were hunting the Toxic Avenger.