DevsAdvocate

Nope. But I can easily do that with a shotgun. Which police are issued with already and costs quite a bit less than outfitting them with AR-15s and all that other stuff.

I'll take the cameras since they are likely to be a one-time cost, and will simply allow police to enforce laws that they can. Well-trained officers with fancy weapons = more militarization of police that ends up costing a lot with little added benefit to our society.

Then those who came up with those protocols are simply sending officers into a situation to die. Clearing a building on your own with no idea of the layout, number of attackers, etc. is just a recipe for disaster. Especially if one has a repeat of Norway where the shooter himself/herself is wearing a LEO uniform. Would an officer indiscriminately fire at another officer? Will that hesitation cost them? Based on previous incidents, very rarely do the police respond in time to stop the attacker... the damage is usually done, and most times, the attacker suicides themselves. Even when they do enter, one by one, as in Ft. Hood, the officers are liable to be killed themselves with little impact on the shooter. Unfortunately for situations like this: the real solution is arming the occupants of most 'high-value' targets in order to defend them. This way, those with knowledge of the layout can defend their location. But this is untenable in NJ.

That will never happen. I'd wager good money that you will never see a 'beat' cop pull a shot off like that. A sniper/SWAT guy who trains for that, maybe. But not your run-of-the-mill patrol cop.

And if you look at Norway, you can see how ineffective the police are in these situations. Regardless of how the Norwegian police were equipped, the "active shooter" in this instance planned his attack out in such a way to minimize the impact of police. In fact, while most of these creeps are willing to sacrifice their lives for the sake of the highest body-count, they aren't stupid to at least realize the potential of police involvement. The greatest threat to police isn't an "active shooter". They'll never be the target of one, nor would such an assault succeed. The rest of us though... who can't CCW and don't have the benefit of 100 armed buddies to help us out do face these threats directly.

There is a difference here: where the money comes from. I'm not asking for police to lose their 2nd Amendment rights, but we as taxpayers should think long and hard about the level of funding we want to provide for the level of force we need. It's not just the cost of the rifle, it's the cost of ammunition, transportation to and from training courses, hiring instructors, and even the loss of the officers' time when he is away getting supplementary training. Then there is the cost of the fancy-shmancy upgrades to each AR-15, magazines, surefire flashlights, red-dots, etc. In the end, does the cost of all this equipment give us taxpayers any meaningful benefit?

Understood. But from the variety of "active shooter" incidents that we've seen across the nation, the SOP for most police is simply as follows: 1. Establish perimeter 2. Wait for SWAT team There is too much liability sending officers into a situation they really have no training to deal with. Not to mention the low probability of "active shooter" incidents.

Meh. I really don't see a reason for beat cops to have an AR-15 in their car... especially in NJ. Before jumping to conclusions, let me elaborate a bit: It's not that I don't want police to have the best equipment to do the job, but there are certain factors to consider here... 1. Probability of need: how often your normal beat cops need the firepower of an AR-15 2. Cost of training: you can't just give these guys a rifle and call it quits, they need to be trained. This means taxpayer dollars for bullets and classrooms... for what return of investment though? (See point 1) 3. Availability of back up. In NJ, with our various state and local agencies, I doubt police are more than 15 minutes away from any assistance at any given moment with some minor exceptions. In short: if you're a state trooper in say... Texas, and you're out on your own with no back up within 35-40 minutes, then you need to have all the firepower you can get because there is no chance back up will help you. But when you're in a city, and help is 5 minutes away, you really don't need to be packing (relatively) heavy weapons. To me, it makes more sense (especially in NJ), to break things down by the County/City level and have established SWAT teams there. Focus the "tacticool" training on those teams and use them to back up the beat cops if they need it.

What would happen to one of us if we did something like this? Would a civilian get punished for leaving a gun out like that? With ammo?

Reloading is a ways off for me since I live in a Condo and lack the space to do it (for now). As for the CZ... I would use non-corrosive steel cased, similarly to what I use in my AK.

It's so expensive though... and I'm wary of having another caliber to spend money on. The more I've read on the 7.62x39, the more I realize how underrated it is when it comes to hunting and sporting. The ammo is cheap and lends itself well to practice. And at 125gr-150gr, it's got some heft to it. Decisions, decisions... I have been looking at the CZ-527M though... it's supposedly very lightweight and accurate.

If a sporterized SKS runs about $550-600, then no since a bolt-action is comparable in price and probably a bit more accurate. I think 200 yards is a good distance for hunting though, and the 7.62 russian is quite cheap and plentiful.

.308 is ungodly expensive though. 7.62x39 Russian is way cheaper and easier to find. I also don't see myself shooting past 200 yards in a hunting environment either. Have you ever thought of 7.62x39?

So, I've been looking at bolt-action rifles for awhile now, and trying to decide which would be the best fit for me and my potential uses. I also wanted to avoid adding another caliber of ammunition to keep stocked which essentially leaves me with 5.56x45, 7.62x39, and .357mag 5.56x45/.223 is too small and that role is filled by my AR-15s. .357magnum is a bit pricey, and availability of rifles is limited. 7.62x39 is cheap, but has the punch equivalent to a .30-30... but selections are limited. Right now, that means a Remington 799 (discontinued), Savage Scout FCM 10 (availability questionable), Ruger compact Bolt-Action (16.5" bbl) and a CZ-USA Carbine (16.5" bbl). So... has anyone here had any experience with such a bolt-action? Is my thinking on this a bit flawed? Should I even bother getting one in this caliber, or just get a traditional caliber like a .308 or .30-06 Intended use is for hunting and as a fun scoped bolt-action. Nothing tactical or anything.

Meh... No thanks to buying a .308/7.62NATO, it's way too expensive to stockpile effectively (for me anyways), and most firearms shooting that round tend to be quite heavy. I like to keep a good combo of 5.56mm and 7.62x39. One is plentiful in our nation and reasonably priced, and the other one is plentiful and dirt cheap. The 7.62x39 can be used in hunting as well. Sure, it's no Remmy 700 bolt action, but you can still hunt most medium sized game with it. Anyways, it's always good to keep at least two calibers for rifles and handguns... any more and the costs of maintaining stocks for each end up hurting you financially. Also: buy lots of .22lr, tons of it. It's just so useful for so many things.

Just make sure you don't buy any magazines over 15 rounds in capacity.

It's NJ Legal. And loud. I saw a guy in PA shoot one and I was glad to have been doubling up my hearing protection.

Nice. What kind is it?

King Cobra... This piece was once the service weapon of a Michigan State Trooper... it sat in a holster for many years and was shot a few times for qualifications. It's got some wear on it... but that just gives it more character. Trigger is smooth as silk and breaks clean.

Can't. Called Colt to ask, but they said it was modified at the factory back in the day and is built to be a straight-up SA race gun. The rail is aftermarket, but with that RDS on it, it's pretty accurate and fast to attain sight pic. It's held on by some Allen bolts which connect to plates the go under the vent rib. Even the muzzle was polished to a nice sheen. Still gotta track down the Colt Archive paperwork for it... (I filled out the request but never got around to it, lol) I still have a successor to the Colt Python though. A lovely Colt King Cobra. I'll get pics of that sometime soon.

Better pics... Next to it's plain Jane twin...

BCM 14.5" middy + BC1.5 brake (pinned) - bay lug (thanks Old School) PSA Lower + PSA Magpul LPK + Stag Arms NJ Legal Stock BCM/TROY Rear Flip up sight BCM Gunfighter charging handle (mod4) BCM Bolt Carrier Grop Aimpoint T1 + Shane45's mount Next to it's plain Jane twin... Now for my super awesome Colt Python race gun... Modified by Colt to be Single-Action only with a trigger that breaks like glass. I bought it with a rail on it and a very beat up Bushnell Holosight. Replaced that with a Sig Sauer red dot. This thing is accurate and quick to bear.

So when are all the forward-thinking, pro-liberty police folks gonna get together and fight for our rights as civilians and against things like 'Smart Gun' tech and other Gun Control schemes? Seems like every time a police chief in NJ opens his mouth on the matter of civilians owning guns or any meaningful reforms on drug enforcement, they tend to be decidedly negative. Meanwhile the rank-and-file sit there and nod in agreement while wearing a smile of their collective faces. The police aren't winning any favors by pissing on criminals and the law-abiding alike.

I'd love to get another WASR soon... trick it out with an ACE tube stock, Midwest Industries railed handgaurds, and a new grip. Kinda like this: Expected completion date: August 2012. Right now: gotta refinish the wood on my current WASR-10... I want to pretty that thing up as much as possible.

Just finished my "tacticool" one... BCM 14.5" middy + BC1.5 brake (pinned) - bay lug (thanks Old School) PSA Lower + PSA Magpul LPK + Stag Arms NJ Legal Stock BCM/TROY Rear Flip up sight BCM Gunfighter charging handle (mod4) BCM Bolt Carrier Grop Aimpoint T1 + Shane45's mount Can't wait to take this thing out for a spin this week.