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State funds? What state funds? We're in so much debt, it's ridiculous to think they'll go out of their way to prosecute a bunch of gun owners. Also, how exactly is Paula Dowd "standing firm" on this one? Where is her office's direction? I already asked for this btw. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_589/products_id/46038 Any willing FFLs??

Is there any evidence to the contrary? ANY? Is it banned by name?

Ok, so here's the blatant loss of logic in this thread: 1. AR-15's, AK's, and M1 Carbines are banned by 'name'. 2. Stag Model-1s, BCM uppers, Saiga, WASRs, MAK-90s are not banned because they meet the 'evil features' criteria, and are not named in a manner that is illegal. 3. Therefor, wouldn't AO 'M1 type' carbines be legal if they too meet the 'evil features' list? Should be a simple legal case, someone contact the NRA/SAF, transfer in an AO M1 Carbine, and then fight the NJ AWB. Tear it to pieces as infringement (which any two year old can do), and set us free.

So can I buy an AO M1 Carbine or not?

It's an excuse to leave that shithole. We've got bigger problems as a nation... terrorism isn't even in the top 10.

Great, bring our troops home now. We finally accomplished our mission.

Anyone have photos of their Tech Sights on a 10/22?

No one will know or care. The ATF has enough going on importing illegal guns into Mexico, and NJ law ends at the Delaware River. Leave the bloodsucking lawyers out of this. Montana won't give a **** where this kid got the guns from...

Allergy medicines for me... I have enough for two years... but after that, ugh, hay fever.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003QZR6DA I got this after someone suggested it earlier. Holds 3 mags, looks good, fits well, good workmanship (maxpedition), and it lightweight.

New Jersey's worst export: people like Nick Chiles... they like everything that sucks about NJ and want to spread it around the country like the manure it is. Please come back to NJ poor soul, and stop inflicting your harm on other states.

Obligatory Homer Simpson reference relevant to this thread.

Well of course... A $950 isn't going to be as sexed up by a gunsmith as a $2000-4000 one. For the price, Kimber makes decent hardware... I would never pay MSRP on it (I mean, who would pay MSRP on anything??), but it's still a solid gun for what you pay for. As for QC or CS, YMMV. I had a good experience with them (replaced a whole slide to give me an internal extractor versus an external one free of charge.)

I'll agree with this. Especially at the end... 1911s are a matter of what you want to pay for and their intended use. I've decided long ago that they are more 'fun' and 'competition' guns than ones for HD. It's an old design, one with some manufacturing issues that makes it tough to be both smooth, accurate, and reliable while still being cheap to make. Modern guns (Glock, XD, M&P, H&K) were designed from the ground up to be mass produced with CnC machines and almost 0 human polishing. 1911s can be loose and reliable, but suffer (in my mind, an almost indiscernible) loss in accuracy, or tight and hand-fitted to be ultra-accurate with the smoothest trigger ever. The sky's the limit on a 1911, especially in terms of how much you want to spend. Also, series 80 safeties in Kimbers are pretty much the only legit beef (outside of the external extractor fiasco) that I can understand with them.

Did you buy it used or new? When do you need to replace recoil springs for that model? If ever?

I figured since they're cut down to length, they wouldn't need to be pinned? I only ask due to the potential need to clean or rebuild magazines.

RIA parts are used in a similar manner... It's one of the reasons folks flock to places like SARCOS

This kinda makes sense... but I don't know if it's due to one metal being cheaper than another. More likely, it has to do with metal being easier to machine and tool by hand. Softer steels are easier to remove material from and smooth and hence bring to closer tolerances. I expect most custom smiths to be working with their hands with *some* machining. But then again: what do I know? Shane45 probably has a lot to say on this topic. I used to have a good background in metallurgy and MIM back in the day... it's been awhile though.

I hear a rumor that they're gonna start casting gold bullets soon due to their magnetohydroexplosive properties. They requested $10 billion over the next 7 days.

But doesn't SA use similar parts at a similar price point? Don't other manufacturers? Or is Kimber the only $800-1000 1911 with MIM? It also goes back to the issue of round counts and failures. What does one reasonably expect out of a $4000 1911 versus a $800 one?

Without round counts, those comments are meaningless. You do realize that MEU(SOC) runs 3-4 guns per Marine because given the volume of shooting that they do with their 1911s, stuff tends to break often. And they tend to use... ya know, high quality components and hand fitting. It's not a matter of 'if' it fails, but 'when'. Is 80,000 acceptable? At what price point? That's the question. Even then, many of these parts STILL functioned.

Great, and you'll pay out the whazoo for it and you'll love it every day. The questions still remain: -What's the difference in failure rate? -What's the price-point to the consumer for those parts? Why is a $900 Kimber with some MIM parts treated as a piece of trash (by some here and other places), but a similar 1911 at a similar price from another manufacturer (Springfield Armory) gets a pass? Is it the typical internet armchair word of mouth? Or is it something that actually has some evidence to back it up? I get it, we all want to justify paying money for what we want... whether it's a BCM AR-15 over a DPMS or a Remington over a Mossberg. I even understand that Kimber FUBARed their attempt at an external extractor (I know, mine used to have one). Quotes like "I wouldn't take a Kimber with a $1 strapped to it" reek of stupidity. Really? You wouldn't take a $900 gun with a $1 strapped to it?

Not so much defending it, but why is it considered to be such a detriment given the vacuum of evidence? I can see it from a price point perspective (why some 1911s cost $1200 or more, and others at different price points), but where is the performance angle? The other issue here is: why is it such a big deal that Kimber uses MIM parts when SA and other makers use them as well? I always see that being thrown around as some reason to hate on Kimbers, but they're not the only ones who use them. Also, your Dan Wesson probably has MIM parts in it as well... http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=199310

It's gonna cost a lot seeing as it uses steel and copper predominantly and contains 0 lead.

Looks to me from those links that Kimber uses MIM parts in the same manner as most 1911 manufacturers do... SA, DW, etc. Not to mention the breadth and depth of the misinformation out there on the subject (aka MIM = bad). There is a reason MIM has made it big in the firearms world, and it's not just because it's cheap. It's also easier to produce to a given tolerance to reduce the amount of machining and polishing (both are time and skill intensive processes). Is it worth the extra money to get hand-machined parts? Yeah, probably... maybe if you shoot 10,000+ rounds a year. Now the question is: have MIM parts in any 1911 failed? The argument here isn't so much if someone wants to spend, but to justify the cost of a brand/type of 1911. Would you spend $850 on a Taurus PT1911? Probably not... but a Kimber? Yeah.