DevsAdvocate

I have one now, an interesting one, but I'm looking for 2 regular ones for the aforementioned reasons. I like them, and I like the stacking trigger, but I don't think they're any less durable than most revolvers. Like I said: even modern ones break, or come with stupid ass trigger locks. They're mass produced, no QC, crap. Older smiths are good, and my family has two Model 29s, but I've always loved the look and design of the Python.

I think you are not looking in the right direction if you want Colt Pythons instead of a 1911. The Python is a thing of beauty (especially in Royal Blue), but those guns suffered from a lot of the same problems as S&W K frames. It was easy to shoot them out of time with a diet of magnum loads. I like to feed my 357 hot loads. I would be afraid to do that if I owned a Python. Add to that the fact that there is an ever decreasing number of smiths who are competent enough to work on them. That is the one advantage to the S&W action. Every gunsmith worth his salt can work on it. The other is that the L frame, and particularly the N frame, can handle just about ANYTHING you want to dish out. My dad has two Model 29s (6" and 4")... and that's about as interesting a gun they make. Everything else is "meh". Now a Python... that's a work of art, bound only to increase in value, just like an M1 Garand. They just don't make em like they used to. Also, S&Ws have their own issues, especially modern ones. I don't like the Hillary lock, and I've seen just as many fail and break than I've heard of Pythons going out of time. At least the timing issue is a quick fix, a broken gun is an expensive loss. But I digress... my Pythons would be more for historical value. I'd shoot them, but not work them to death. (Plus, .38spc can be used instead of super hot magnum loads).

Plus the fact that once you get it working, there is a chance something will eventually break or wear out and need replacing. And most replacement parts may require some hand-fitting. I'm probably never going to buy another 1911 EVER. The cost is just too high, and I'd rather by a matching set of Colt Pythons. I've had my Delta Elite for more than 22 years, and the only thing that has ever been replaced were recoil springs and magazines, while I dont shoot it every day, i do shoot it regularly and i;ve NEVER had a problem with it. My Defender was bought from a co-worker about 13-14 years ago, that gets shot a LOT since i have to qual with it, and I carry it every day, and again..NEVER had a problem with it. I guess i'm just lucky, but my damn little Mustang even runs well. The fact you had it for 22 years is testament to it's durability and craftsmanship. Modern, mass produced 1911s are a crapshoot. Even SAs will require some smithing to work right.... but luckily, they have a good warranty. If you want something real good, you're going to pay out the nose to get it. $1000 to start. Colt Pythons usually start around that, and I want them for my reasons.

Sigh... paper is sooo boring to shoot at.

Lame!

I want to be able to shoot watermelons... will that be allowed?

Plus the fact that once you get it working, there is a chance something will eventually break or wear out and need replacing. And most replacement parts may require some hand-fitting. I'm probably never going to buy another 1911 EVER. The cost is just too high, and I'd rather by a matching set of Colt Pythons.

Haha, don't get me wrong, I love the 1911... but after my ordeal, and all the research I've done, I now truly understand the weaknesses of the platform in relation to the cost of owning one. I have one 1911 that I will keep as long as I can... but that's it for me.

Point being you HAD to get it fixed... It sucked wind before the fix (at least that was my interpretation of your report). All 1911s eventually suck wind. It's a flaw in their design.

ACTUALLY... I got that fixed... for free. Works like a charm now too.

Kimber external extractors suck. S&W and Sig ones are good to go. Long story is (from my understanding of it all): a lot of companies moved to external extractors believing them to be a superior design in terms of both performance and ease-of-manufacture. Internal extractors require precise tensioning to operate properly, whereas external ones do not, and are therefor easier to manufacture. External extractors are a superior design when used from the ground up (GLOCK), but when shoehorned into other platforms (1911), they tend to have difficulties. Sig and S&W invested a lot in their design, and typically have good QC to back it up. Kimber... they used to be great, but then tried to cut corners with an external extractor.

On the contrary - the crap we have to deal with forms our general outlook on life. Some rise to the challenge, others develop an entitlement mentality. And some become bitter old men. (Yes DA - I like to disagree with you) Like what? Most of the problems people face are actually self-fabricated. I mean, as a man, what is so much harder for you now?

I have a problem with this mentality. I have done nothing wrong. I deserve no blame. To bunch me in with a bunch of Neanderthals who went before me does nothing to further any cause. I ain't blaming anyone. Just times' are a changin'. What little crap we have to deal with as men is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Way to take it to the extreme right away. Of course there is no area in between. Be realistic dude. I know your name is devilsadvocate but cmon. As far as I am concerned men get the short end of the stick in todays world. Especially white men. If anyone cant see it coming I feel sorry for them. Turn on the TV and how are men shown? As bumbling nitwits, overgrown children, annoying creeps, submissive, always wrong and anything but good, strong and capable. Women are allowed to have an IQ over 50, and are usually shown as the rightly dominant one in any relationship. King of Queens, Everybody loves Raymond, The Simpsons, Family Guy, 2 and a Half Men and thats just to name a few. You see this especially in ads. The men are invariably balding and pot-bellied average Joes who have miraculously landed a gorgeous younger woman. The guys are then portrayed as idiots. Talk shows are full of man bashing. Dr.Phil has made a career of it. Every time I see a talk show the guy is in the wrong and being blamed for the problems. Look at the divorce and child custody laws and cases, They guy gets screwed 99.9% of the time. More women are graduating college right now then men. How do you think thats gonna play out in 10 years or so?? My point is that in todays world society seems to blame the guy right away, its accepted. Saw a guy buying flowers the other day at the food store. The cashier says to him "What did you do wrong" Are you friggin kidding me? This lady didnt even know the guy and automatically assumes the guy did something wrong to his wife or girlfriend. Secondly she had the audacity to say that to him. I would have told her to stuff it up her a**. Like I said, sad state of affairs these days for men, and it has nothing to do with smacking them and telling them to make us drinks. All I meant to convey is that sometimes, change can be good. What was acceptable in the past is no longer so as times have changed. And let's face it... the little blame men get today PALES in comparison to the harsh treatment women received for the last... how long ago did we evolve?

Two things: 1. You haven't included her in your hobbies, or done a good job of doing so. 2. She probably does have hobbies, but you don't pay attention or realize it. Either way, you're toast. Even if you win the argument, you lost, because by winning through logic and rational thought, you acted like a big meanie, and now you'll feel sorry for belittling her irrational and illogical thought processes. Way to blame the guy immediately. This seems to be the norm these days though. Sad state of affairs for men Used to be you could sock her in the face and make her get you a drink too... sad how times have changed.

:shock: It's an EMOTIONAL thought process. If that escapes you, you are dead. There is no help for you. Do not attempt to apply logic to emotion. The end result is either an argument or tears. Either way, you don't "win". Emotions are both irrational and illogical... especially when applied to a thought or decision process.

Two things: 1. You haven't included her in your hobbies, or done a good job of doing so. 2. She probably does have hobbies, but you don't pay attention or realize it. Either way, you're toast. Even if you win the argument, you lost, because by winning through logic and rational thought, you acted like a big meanie, and now you'll feel sorry for belittling her irrational and illogical thought processes.

What? Someone says they lost all their guns in a boating accident should be able to come up with a similarly creative BS answer as to why all the guns were on the boat. And is it even legal to have all your guns on a boat in NJ waters? I mean, what shooting ranges or places of work require a boat to get to? God help you if there were hollowpoints there.

Wow, boating accident? Why were all your guns on a boat?

Did they make off with any firearms?

What is a plunger tube?

Glock 17 (followed by the Glock 19). Why you ask? 1. Consistent accuracy. Virtually all Glocks shoot the same. 2. Precise machining. A component from one Glock (17) will fit and work in other Glock (17)s 3. Durable design... nuff' said. 4. Extremely long lifespan (in terms of rounds fired down range). 5. Cheap. 6. Little to no ammunition sensitivity (read: feeds and shoots pretty much anything) As much as I love 1911s, they have some major drawbacks that are amplified the longer you own and shoot them. They can be built cheap and to loose tolerances, but in the end, you're going to need a good deal of smithing to be done to make it shoot the way you want it. And even after all that, put a 1000 rounds downrange and your looking to see issues with your recoil spring, and other part failures... like extractors and the like.

It is justifiable, trailers, cars, are not cheap. Even if insurance pays out, you lose a lot on the value of the vehicle. Besides... who cares? They're thieves. Illegal or not, killing them isn't the worst thing in the world.

I agree Internal vs external PALES in comparison to no rail vs rail. IMO to be a true 1911, no rail... The rail provides for options and versatility, a quaint update on an tested design. :mrgreen:

Definitely.