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Here's a quote i found from someone last year with the same issue from midway and the response they got. So they could figure out a way to store everyone's FID's and have a way setup to report it back to NJ incase they need the records, but is it worth the hassle to them? And here's the exemption section from the NJ laws... Being that Midway and Cabela's have close ties to the NRA and the NRA believes that any record keeping on ammunition is just as bad as having to register your firearms, could it be that by refusing to ship to NJ, they're sticking to their beliefs? NJ laws are retardedly written, so it could just be that some don't want to take a chance and get the $10,000 fine for a mistake in interpretation.

Its not cycling right. Some sections work while others are just recycling air. So its never 100% ac in the back. They've mentioned it a few times that they need the guy to come back, he just hasn't been back yet. /shrug

Not sure if the air got fixed yet. They have ventilation, but it might just be circulating the outside air, so shorts and tshirts is probably recommended for tonight.

Regardless if the information is stored in databases, they have to manually enter it into a logbook. I'm not saying they don't already collect the info, but it seems like most don't seem to want to have to deal with the laws and BS of this state, so its just easier to say they don't ship certain things here. You can still go to their store and buy it. Probably the same reason why you can't buy ammo at Walmart in NJ. Extra work for minumum wage is going to equal mistakes, which would end up being expensive for their bottom line.

Not sure exactly where to find out about the primers. It would have to be in the firearms section, and i'm at work, so don't have time to look it up. And interstate commerce comes second when it comes to specific restrictions and regulations.

I think NJ classifies primers as ammunition, just as it classifies lowers as a firearm, so the same restriction would apply. 22LR (long Rifle) was originally designed as rifle ammo, and is classified as such for all laws and regulations. Doesn't matter that pistols were designed later to use it. 9mm was originally designed as pistol ammo, and doesn't matter that carbines/rifles were designed to use it. Just think of it as a bi-sexual woman. Just because it enjoys playing with other women, doesn't make it a man. You'd still call her a woman. 9mm by all intents and purposes is still handgun ammunition according to all laws.

In order for them to ship to NJ, they have to log every single purchase of pistol ammo. Its alot of overhead for companies, and that's why many just stopped shipping here. They don't want to keep a log book just for purchases from our state, and honestly i don't blame them. Look at it from their perspective. Spend all the money to get an automated storefront. Have your warehouse guys get the printed order sheets and package the products to ship, and then have to have someone else fill out a log book only for NJ. It would get overlooked and then they'd be in legal trouble. Not worth the hassle. That's why they don't ship to states with those laws. You think it will be different if NJ requires all handguns to be microstamped? The manufacturers will just stop shipping to this state instead of buying all new machines to stamp the weapons specifically for this state. Its a simple attack to logistics. They can pass the OGAM and other laws that they claim don't hurt the law abiding gun owners, but by passing legislation that disrupts they flow of ammo and firearms into the state directly, they hope to eventually eliminate firearms completely, while still holding on to the fact that they didn't directly infringe on our rights. They can claim its the manufacturer's and retailer's fault for not wanting to change their business to conform to our laws. And you can see from this thread how its working. You're refusing to deal with a company because of the laws of this state. Transfer of anger, and the real enemies are the politicians, not the retailers.

I should be there earlier, so Just ask at the counter about the forums, and i'll make sure they guest rate ya. I should be either in the main shop area, or in the back office working on something, but i'll make sure they know ahead of time.

Just posted it here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=2269 I put it on the website, but I'll start posting updates on the forums as well.

of course. And wednesday night for the tactical course.

I might swing up with everyone on the 13th. Its hard to tell what will come up between now and then, but as of now its in my plans to go.

Mosin's are 7.62x54r so just a tad larger than 308 in power. They are extremely accurate. And yes, the ghetto gauze recoil pad was nuts. It did work though lol.

I'll definitely be there with a caffeine IV inserted...

Not a problem. I just put that info on their website last night, so doubt anyone had seen it. Its not going to be a classroom type class, but more of a hands-on, walkthrough it then do it type of thing. And repetition is going to reinforce the things your supposed to do and they'll be sure to point out if your doing something wrong lol. He wants to bring in some GSG's and do it with them sometime in the future as well.

Not as in depth, but in more fun way that's relatively inexpensive and will happen often enough so it reinforces the practice, should try the one starting at BA. They had a few of us in for a test run and it was alot of fun, yet we learned a few things. The first official one is going to be Next wednesday, the 12th, and then every saturday starting the 15th. Link here : http://www.brick-armory.com/index.php?o ... &Itemid=59

Probably not, just thinking about the first day to start lol

The show's the 8th, not sure on time we were planning. Yeah, hit BA tonight and meet everyone.

Yup, and there's precedent for it with the silly "personalized" handgun law that's already on the books. Once one makes it to market, everything else becomes illegal. It's the worst kind of do-nothing, pandering legislation imagineable. Kinda like saying "Once we find a unicorn, all horses will be outlawed." No existing manufacturer will want to make such a thing knowing that the rest of it's catalog becomes obsolete in this market. That program's already ate up 5 million in taxpayer money. In 2003, they said it was 2 years away. Last year they asked for 2 million more in funding and said they were....2 years away. Don't expect it to come out ever.

Nope, just list the source - ie paper or blog, etc.. and you're home free. Same with a disclaimer page stating that its not an attack, just a reprint of public information for tracking purposes. Just make sure to be prompt on linking the date of conviction or aquittal with the same item, so it can't be accused of still accusing them if they've already been proven otherwise. So those on the Not-guilty list would have to remain on the alleged list but with a link and info updating the fact they were found innocent.

You can legally get around it just by listing it differently. Put a charged/alleged list, then a convicted list. Its not false or demeaning propoganda if you're telling the truth. And then you can also add a "not guilty" list of those proven innocent.

Incorporation will mean one thing.... The excuse that the 2nd amendment applies to a militia aka the National Guard will finally be dismissed. I watched the OGAM discussions and it was shocking how many times that excuse kept coming up. OGAM probably wouldn't be repealed, because its not impeding on the 2A. Its not preventing you from owning or purchasing, so the left can hold on to their restrictions without impunity. It can be challenged of course, it will all depend on the legislation. Worse fear is if a Federal Version takes effect. CCW could very well be redone and changed. Since incorporation puts it as a right instead of a privilege, laws that don't allow the general public the same protections as others could face repeal. Not a guarantee to be changed though. Its all positive on things that could change with incorporation, but there's always the opposite side of the spectrum. If the Supreme Court rules against Incorporation, than it gives all the states anti-gun groups all the ammunition they need to impose further restrictions and bans. What we see as a dream scenario, could very likely be a nightmare waiting to happen.

Yeah, every tuesday night.

He's doing good. Surgery tomorrow and should be back home thursday. I'll keep ya updated.

knowing tz is one thing, but knowing chad? ugh, hi welcome from toms river

What was his name?