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Like what kind of work are we talking? Range master stuff? Range clean up?

The Mosquito's base price is around $330. The Sport model (5" barrel) I'm looking at goes for $380. Keep in mind this isn't MSRP (MSRP is $390 for the basic), these are the prices I'm seeing all over that vendors are quoting me for. Also the reviews I saw were from owners. They all agreed that it was junk till they talked to Sig and started using the CCI Mini-Mags by suggestion. The early models needed to get retuned by Sig, but that's pretty much it. The gun is just extremely picky about ammo. While that might be a pain, I think its a livable one so long as there isn't a shortage of specific brands.

Oh whats the pricing look like? I'm having a hard time finding the price on the site.

Heh like I said Sig fixed the feeding problem but they're still picky about the brand of ammo too. Everyone, Sig included, recommend CCI Mini-Mags for it. Majority of the jamming from the research I've done comes from using cheap low grade bulk ammo and ammo that isn't copper coated (I think that's the coating anyway) before the break-in is done. After that it jams less often with cheap bulk, but the work around to make it not jam at all with the low grade ammo is to keep the oil wet so everything slides easier. I know both the P22 and the Mosquito are temperamental and their first gens have created bad reputations for them. But tell ya what, I'm not unreasonable and with something like this I'll take people's advice, but if anyone has a P22, Mosquito, and/or Ruger Mk3 22/45 that can let me compare I'll gladly give you whatever it costs for a box of 22lr's in order to test fire them.

Welcome to New Jersey where the weak are killed and eaten. Get out while you still can....

So I'm wondering if there are any good ranges near Woodbridge? Don't get me wrong the Brick Armory is a great place, but its still roughly an hour trip for me and I would like to go someplace a bit closer that I can easily get to multiple times a week if I felt like it. Using the mystical powers of the Interwebs and Google I've found this place called Old Bridge Rifle & Pistol Club, good? bad?

Woodbridge is a Yes as well. They have an ok selection of shotguns and hunting rifles.

From what I've been told Hi-Points are a great bang for the buck, but you're better off with a Hi-Point carbine then a pistol.

Maksim: Heh, to be honest I'm not a fan of the german luger look which is why I stray away from the Buckmark and Rugers. I believe everyone when they say they're deadly accurate, but the design on those really throw me off as they don't match my tastes. And the NEOS, well if i wanted a Nintendo Zapper I would buy a Nintendo Zapper. The P22 and Mosquito are more my tastes, but from the reviews I've seen and the stories I've heard from my friends the Mosquito seems to be the more reliable choice of the two. As for the S&W 22a, I'm neither for nor against it.

See, that's the thing. My step dad was a gun dealer for years. After handling every 1911, 380, .45 and 9mm known to man, I like the fact that the Mark II/III is a little different. I also like that it doesn't care too much about how clean it is. I clean and lube it after every 500-1000 rounds, but I've never _NEEDED_ to because of a problem. The Mosquito was supposedly updated to fix some of the FTF, FTE, and misfire issues so you probably won't have any issues as long as you keep it cleaned and lubed. Find the ammo it likes and stick to it. From what I've seen the problems were fixed with some minor servicing on earlier models, but the biggest problem was people using cheap low grade ammo before it was properly broken in. You need to use CCI Mini-Mags with it for at least the break in process, but many owners end up sticking with the mini-mags. As for style its all personal preference. Honestly... I'm not a fan of revolvers, but if I could find one cheap I would get the Taurus Raging Hornet.

Pass on that one. Get a Browning Buckmark or the Ruger MKII or Mark III. I know the Ruger MkII and MkIII are better guns, I just don't like the overall design. I like the Mosquito because the design is a traditional semi-auto design that a majority of semi-auto handguns follow. From what i understand the Mosquito is 10% smaller then the Sig P226 and is larger (and heavier) then the P22 just from looking at the numbers. As far as accuracy is concerned i watched someone plink 5 gallon buckets at 130 yards with his P22 with his buddies on youtube (it was one of the Nutnfancy videos) so while the accuracy drops it doesn't mean you still can't hit the target. Also as far as revolvers are concerned i don't like firing them and much prefer the semi-auto design.

Well my uncle has been highly suggesting I get a 22 pistol and since I was planning on applying for additional permits anyway I'm considering getting a Sig Mosquito. The debate I'm going through now is do I get the Mosquito first so I can get more range time in, especially when 9mm ammo is hard to come by and 40s&w is a bit more expensive, or do I get the XD first (in either 9mm or 40s&w) so I have my home defense pistol ready. I don't expect to need stopping power right away, but break ins and stuff like that aren't exactly planned for ahead of time with the victim(s) aware of it. I can easily wait a month or so for the extra permits to come in for either so long as I get one when my first permit comes in. Also my uncle is taking me to the Valley Forge Gunshow coming up in December so that gives me more time to save up for the 1911. I know people are probably tired of seeing me flip flop, but I'm taking in a lot of stuff I never knew before and I'm trying to do things smart (both financially and practically).

Oh I agree which is why I'm not settling for a .45cal 1911 as I rather go with something I'm more comfortable with like the 9mm or 40cal XD. I've found 9mm and 40cal 1911's, but they're always out of stock or on back order. And the used ones I see are either custom 40cal or in 45cal which I don't like. The custom 40cal 1911's would be acceptable except I look at it like I'm buying a car. I rather customize something stock myself then to deal with fixing problems inherited from the first owner's mistakes when he customized it. Oh I agree on the whole try before you buy idea, its how I landed on wanting a 9mm 1911 as my first gun. Out of all the guns I've shot, this one was me to a T. I've never had a grouping this good before with the guns I've previously fired though the closest I would have to say was the XD. The guys here and my close friends were very helpful in helping me try a diverse selection of handguns.

Ok this is getting frustrating so far. Found the perfect gun, the 1911, but finding it in 9mm or 40cal has proven to be somewhat difficult... So far the consensus of people I've spoken to is "you're better off getting it in 45cal" which is annoying due to the fact 45acp is more expensive then 9mm or 40s&w and the fact I don't like shooting 45acp rounds (have yet to find a gun in 45 that felt right in my hand when shooting it). As much as I would like the 1911 to be my first gun it looks like it might end up being my 2nd due to the rarity of the 9mm and 40cal variants. I know buds has that Springfield 1911 in 9mm I was looking at, but its not currently in stock and I have no clue if/when it will come in. So it looks like, unless something changes by the time my permits come in, that I'm going to get a XD as my first.

Actually this was the model I was looking at: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/43761 I don't mind the single stack mag because I usually put 5 rounds into a mag at the ranges (its easier to get in 5 then 10) and if I can't drop someone attacking me with 9 rounds having extra in a single mag isn't going to help. Though personally I would switch out the wood grips on this for something like simple black polymer or metal grips instead.

Yeah the 1911 is awesome to fire and has made it to the top of my list for my first gun. Not seeing any on Buds in 9mm, all they have is 45acp in stock atm. Would love to get the S&W model, but I may end up getting a Springfield 1911 if I can't find a S&W the price range I'm hoping for.

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I applied almost a week ago and I'm counting the weeks already. Hopefully it doesn't take more then the 30 days its suppose to take. Thankfully I have no past records of any kind and the only thing i can see being a hold up is contacting and receiving the information from my references.

Yeah and its the same situation there as it is on gunbroker. Many cost more then it does for a new M&P. :/

Yeah i checked Buds, no 4003 models in stock and I tried the resources here which also turned up nothing. There's some 4003's on gunbroker, but they want more then what a brand new M&P costs on Buds. I'll probably end up getting a newer gun since they're easier to find, but there's just something about how an all metal handgun feels in my hand you know? Just gotta keep my eyes open in the mean time.

Yeah those are some pretty good deals. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys and talking face to face for some advice as well as for helping me pick out my first gun. It'll make picking it out a lot easier. I especially look forward to trying out the XD and the M&P since they were my top choices apon inspection at the gun store, though I'll be honest. After firing some poly and alloy frame guns with my friends I'm actually leaning more towards the alloy frames more since they feel better to me when I'm at the range. So there's a good chance I might change my mind and go for something like the S&W 4003.

So today i got a chance to fire off a few boxes of .40s&w in a S&W Model 4003 and honestly I much prefer the feel of a .40 over the 9mm and .45acp. Also found out that a lot of cops are trading in these guns for the M&P series so I may keep an eye out for them as an option. My buddy just picked one up for $250 and its pretty damn good.

Sorry I meant reloading bullets. Yeah I'm just wondering what the cost differences are whether its a few bucks a year or a few bucks a box. Like I said I got friends and family who reload bullets and I found something called the Lee Hand Press that might be a good investment since I don't have a work bench.

Hmmm... here's a quick question.. reloading ammo. What's the cost difference reloading shells vs buying them off the shelf at your typical 50 round boxes? Reason I ask is because my uncle and my friends down in DA have the ability to reload ammo.

I'm really iffy about purchasing ammo online. Guns not so much because they have to be sent to a local dealer for the transaction to be completed, but stuff like ammo or the stuff for repacking ammo I've always been worried about raising red flags. Also there's what you said about not being able to find the brands you're looking for and/or not being able to ship to NJ. Luckily my friends from PA and DA told me I can have stuff like that shipped to their homes, but quite a few of them I only get to see maybe once a month or so.

To be honest 9mm was my first choice for the money savings aspect and .40 as my second choice for the ballistics, but my big problem with 9mm at the moment is availability. Last time I visited Cheyanne Mtn they were completely out of 9mm and when I went down to Delaware to visit the range with some friends Walmart had barely any and Dicks was completely sold out. The reason all of them gave us is the military is hogging it all and they had no clue when they were going to get more in. While both my uncle and my friends in Delaware have bullet presses and can recap ammo I can't always depend on them since its not like they live next door. So if someone knows a place I can get 9mm ammo at without worry of shortages let me know.