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Well for what it's worth it is now being reported that she was shot 4 times in bed while sleeping. I would like to say that although there my be gaps in the facts we are given and straight up false information, the OP's question is a good one. If you have a mentally ill person in your house wouldn't it be prudent to make it so they can't "find the keys" and kill you in your sleep? I have posed the question before and everyone likes to skip it. Can we all ask ourselves if we have the balls to say a member of our family isn't right and I should take greater precautions or simply remove the firearms from the house? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's how I always heard it.

Piers morgan had John Lott on and it turned into a **** fest dogpile up on the guns guy. With emotions as they are they are probably thinking why set themselves up in the dunking booth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgYMOZD6xtc&sns=em Now y'all know what I have been saying about this. That gun owners have to be prepared to talk about the lack of mental health care in this country instead of serving up the same old reasoning. The NRA didn't have any talking points other than what they already did and just as I have been saying, since before Jared Laughner even, its the nut jobs that will force the gun control issue. The NRA like so many others are wholly unprepared to talk about that and in the heat if recent events their old diatribe looks naive. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I believe at this time lane splitting is expressly illegal in all states except california, and even there it is considered reckless driving. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I had i guy say to me today "pardon the semantics,but aren't all weapons assault weapons?" What a great opportunity to point out that the assault weapon ban is talking about assault rifles. And how can you trust lawmakers that can't ask themselves exactly what he asked? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree. It is truly an emergency. However, doing what is needed will mean higher taxes and increased increased insurance premiums. The spending was cut long ago and everyone was happy they found a way to save money. Worked out well, didn't it?

Wait, Red Sox? Anyway, I forgot about the charging thing. Good point. What bikes charging sytems are like that?

This plus this, if you haven't seen it yet. http://anarchistsocc...nthinkable.html

How a person is raised by their parents has little to do with the kind of psychosis that lets a person go on a mass killing spree. How the parents cope with Severe and Persistant Mental Illness is better seved by reaching out for help. While everyone agrees that parenting is to blame for kids being impolite and the way kids get their moral compass, severe mental illness is a different catagory.

It has more to do with cost. Pills and a boot out the door is said to work. At a fraction of the cost of institutionalizing, no one argues.

It is a privacy and rights issue through and through. To take guns from or to point a finger at someone and label them as unable to ever posses a firearm before they ever commit a crime is a proccess that is incredibly intrusive and, if found to be wrong, very costly to those that initiate it via lawsuits. However it is not impossible or a bad idea, as long as you are RIGHT, and have the BALLS to do it. See the links in my sig below. But in this case we have heard from the brother that the killer was "mentally defective." This guy was probably already in the system and blocked. The guns were accesible to him, most likely after he killed a family member. That is something that we as owners need to reflect on long and hard. I recently had a co-worker that is not an anti but has no ill will towards those that do, tell me that the week before his son ws born he sold his prized ruger .22 revolver and never wanted to have a gun in the house while his kids were growing up. Gun owners need to have serious thoughts about these things. Should you get rid of a few guns if there is a mentally ill person in your house? Yes could be a very good answer, even if it is within your rights to own one.

Pharma has already claimed full responsibility for the decline in violent crime across America and the reduction in mental health care costs by virtue of pills. Anything else is going to cost insurance companies and taxpayers more money. So hush now before someone drops a giant pill on your head.

I can't stop thinking about the kids, the sounds of the screaming...one by one. Its just too easy to picture really. I was so busy all day and couldn't pay any attention. Now on the train, it's really hitting me hard. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I, for one, am dreading that picture. You know its coming. The one with twenty tiny faces all lined up. Just thinking about it is upsetting. This is really unfathomable. I have seen some shit in my time but just watching this news on tv, hell just listening to it, is so upsetting. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You hit the nail on the head here as far as i am concerned. Start finding the psychos better. It used to be people were put away. Now that is next to impossible. I have been telling everyone at work "when you get the homicidal psycho problem fixed we can talk about me and my guns. Until then I am just fine." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Crazy dupe

Tell them what I have been sayingnow for two, almost three years. The mental heatlh system is broken and un-funded. If we had better mental health care in this country instead of cutting funding at every turn on a whim we could bettre deal with these people before hand.

Eesh. What was I thinking? This has been pretty helpfull but I want to state for the record that I had not intended to stir anything up. My main goal was to see if I had the most prevavlent questions about motorcycles that people that do not ride have. In that regard I think we have found there are just a few. The rest is all how Rider's view themselves. Come January 1 I will be revealing what this is all about.

Good, good. I can work with these.

These are great. I am looking for what would be quetions from those that not only don't ride but have a negative outlook on those that do. Topher, those are right up there with what I am looking for. The last one I thought was really good came from my mother in law; "are there different speed limits for motorcycles than for cars?" She meant it sarcastically but what she really meant was "why dio they drive so freakin' fast?" What ever else you can think of. Great Stuff. Thanks everyone.

Think about a motorcycle FAQ for people that don't ride. I am building a list and I have responses like why are they so loud, why do they ride so reckless, they do they rev their engine all the time and why do they go so fast. Can any of you guys think what other questions might be out there? Thanks in advance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It will always be the mentally ill that create the spark. We need to be prepared for that. It can't be ignored by the pro-gun side. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Insurance companies wrote the law by force of lobbying. All that rights stuff is interesting discourse, but when it comes to seat belts its irrelevant. Its about the boat loads of cash someone else has to pay out for you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well I may be late to the party on this one but I just want to point out again that The Atlantic is about as liberal a magazine as you can find. For all the holes we might see in the article, their subscriber's have likely never read anything quite like it.