bulpup

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Naw tits beat logo, everyone knows that.

It helps that the bolt is at a 90 degree angle :mrgreen: rapid fire ?????? Ya no kidding. Great bolt work for a lefty. I'm very impressed.

That would be O300 infantry. Yea, he was yelling that at me all day! I'm Army so I was like "what the hell is wrong with this guy? 0800- first formation?" Army is 11B so I made no connection at all to "Full Metal Jacket."

Ya, the MN is not a home defense weapon, it is an antique, albeit made to some fairly late models. When it comes to what has been said about 'been there,' I have been there too. I have stood on many a rifle range watching people complain about the M16 hurting their shoulder while they blow away your tax dollars never listneing to even the basics of Basic Rifle Marksmanship. Those Moisins, I can just imagine a line of 30, like we did at the Army part of Ft. Dix, blasting away for 10 hours. That rifle is a man's gun. I shoot it and it makes me think how unlike we are from two generations ago. I want to master it like they did, like i did with the M16 and SAW. That is an awsome challenge for little money. I would LOVE to see 8-10 in a line at the range one day. That would be AWSOME!

I am spent. Totally. managed to do something to the ankle too. but OMG What fun! I am going to be a moisin convert soon, I can dig it! I have way to much exp with the modern day AR's, that Moisin, what a throwback. I have shot 3 different member's versions and each one is a new thing. And Mike, no one else's bolt action stuff gave me any problems... so nyeh! Great fun. I hope next time we also get a good cigar trade-off going too! Lastly, those pics of clays on the bench krdshrk posted....that was stuff we found in the brush! We had the range to ourseles and ran out of clay so we scavenged them. 3 or 4 times!

80 to 100 bucks for a de facto battle rifle from 100 years ago. With the bolt action counting as a plus, I think. I am not in the market for one but I can't say that would be a waste of money.

I was thinking I picked up a few pointers from that Top Shot episode. Any way Glock 19C, Ruger Mark III hunter and the new Mossberg 500. Bringing the slug barrle with scope to site in, then on to the clays.

Yep, that looks like the final roster.

oh hell yea!!

This is why I was suggesting body armor and the rig as two separate systems in my earlier posts. I have the same general experience; and, like most/all units, my kit was more mission-oriented (more mobility then firepower). Regardless, unless someone is a part of a larger unit, and they are about to undertake a prolonged firefight, I don't see the point of carrying more than 6-8 magazines max (this is with 5.56/.223 in mind, not 7.62/.308). I know there are some people who would carry a whole armory on them if they could (and in theory it'd be for the best), but on average 120 rounds suffices. Of course since we're in NJ, and our magazines at most can carry 15, that is the reason why I say 6-8 max instead of some rigs I've seen that carry 12+. Again, I don't say there is anything wrong with carrying 12+, but pounds equal pain (argument of mobility vs. firepower). Yes. I consider the ammo partion necessary. You need to be able to fight. But I was considering the OP's link to a vest that would go over the shoulders again, and that looked like it was to carry more than just ammo. Putting your ammo on the molle is going to hurt, no question about it, but its ammo...soo.. I would hesitate putting anything else on my shoulders of lesser priority, I wouldn't. I would find, as you say, a separate system, but not a shoulder bourne one.

I got you covered, but Mike, if you can do it, post here forthwith. Forums guys have prority for me but I would realy like to bring my no-firearms-to-FPID-applicant convert if I can.

One other thing, you might be interested to know that when we were first issued body armor and SAPI plates we wore it every day for 2.5 months during stateside training. This was a bare minimum really as for as getting your body strengh up enough to where it was not bothersome. And trust me, EVERYONE struggled with it, no matter what kind of shape they were in. I know for myself, I wouldn't want to go from daily life to SHTF SAPI plates with all kinds of extra shiite hanging off of it. That crap hurt like hell in 3 hours with just the plates. Then it was pain for 4 straight weeks. If I were looking to do what you are doing I would also look for carry-all pants for all those gizmos. Just remember all that stuff you see on a guy is for a super tactical soldier the is in great shape and wears it daily. Don't think you can go from 0-60 like that. And NEVER forget that sometime you need to go prone. This was especially true for me because I carried the SAW. You dont want all that extra stuff pushing your ass up in the air when you are trying to get small.

Mossberg 500 combo for the win. I was very concerned about the aluminum receiver and the plastic trigger guard (how can that help a trigger lock?). but the article that was posted that noted the military tests really helped. If the army can carry an aluminum receiver in the desert then I can use it on a range in New Jersey once in a while. So with that in mind, $150 less for a slug barrel w/scope/bird barrel combo, I think I made a wise and financially responsible choice for a first shotty. I think if I am getting another in the future I would skip the 870 altogther and get one of thoe cool over/under models.

So, Bulpup and maideneddie are both members? Yes, good to go.

Having both is specific to a military application. If you were in Fallujah or baghdad you might be required to wear the plates at all times. So why carry all the extra door kicking gear with you when you are walking around the FOB? In that environment you are worried about snipers and artillery. On the other hand, a SHTF scenario in the US, you want the body armour to be more like a 'go bag.' you pick it up and you have all your shit in one motion. We, as Reserve soldiers in a NYC based Transportation Company, always kept the armour with a first aid kit and ammo pouch. Some guys liked to have the extra options with a light suspender type rig but for the most part if we had to roll we knew we at least had ammo and first aid with the plates. My first choice after the armor was the Camel back. Anything after that made me nervous, because; All that extra crap keeps the medics busy should you need help. A simple vest is easy if you know the trick, wrap it up with extra kevlar and webbing crap and that is time against you. let me rephrase that, medics know to cut, your fellow soldier with a first aid kit don't work like that.

I think I got a repreive. Sad as the wife is she isn't expecting me to run off to KY with her. So I am still looking good for Sun.

the worst has happened. I am going to have to bail. next time

Bloody 'ell. This is a tough decision.

Sounds a lot easier too. I might be there closer to 9:30

Now I'm going to confuse you even more... Both guns have "steel" bolts locking up into steel barrel extensions. The Mossberg has an aluminum reciever. My 2 cents Actually that is far from confusing, thanks. Good inputs. Dealer tells me the Remington gets better resale value but the way I am thinking I want a 'keeper.' The combos I am looking at are rifled barrel and vented rib smooth.

I like your avatar better

Okay, I am looking into both the Moss. 500 combo with the slug barrel and the smooth + choke and the Remington 870 version. Dick's has the price diff. at $150 ( do I have to tell you the one that costs more?) I am really looking to get started with the shotgun now that I am lined up for the NJ hunting license. Any input would be helpful. Right now my gut says go with the steel bolt vs the aluminum.

As a side note, I have worked in television for 23 years now. If you want help with this kind of stuff just let me know.