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lol man they gave you some good drugs didn't they...

Not in Franklin it isn't. This is my third time getting pistol permits and they haven't asked me for money other than the $2/permit yet. I'm certainly not going to bring it up with them either.

Oh to be able to nap at every opportunity!

Make the frame wider so they can't flip it over. Just saying.

I agree with whoever said when it was the airlines running security you didn't have those rights, but because it is a governmental agency you DO. After all the Constitution is to protect us from the government, not the airlines. End result is the system sucks no matter what we think...

I still think you could make the case that it would prevent poor people from protecting themselves. Unless the timeline for the validity of the permit needs to be increased which would reduce the overall price. And what about that whole mental check thing every few years? Sounds like a train wreck waiting to be abused. Just like with any bill though its a start. Get it in, then work from the inside out through the system. Keep praying too. lol....

They are not invasive like the requirement to submit to a possibly harmful xray device or be fondled by a TSA employee for doing absolutely nothing suspicious. The whole point is that a governmental agency is performing searches on a level that would require any other organization to have suspicion or possibly a warrant just because you are CHOOSING to travel on a plane. Doesn't cut mustard for me, I think the whole thing is just one big big brother based wet dream for whoever is running the show over there. Once they take your rights they aren't likely to give them back either. I'm glad people are getting pissed off about this and look forward to the lawsuits. Maybe it will make the TSA actually keep us secure for real instead of this dog and pony bullcrap that does almost nothing to keep evil people from weaponizing our airliners.

Just keep in mind the machines that use the possibly unhealthy xray backscatter technology (of which these in MCO are not) put out a much clearer picture. If you are concerned about the radiation, then your only other choice is a unprofessional groping. Now, I admit that am guessing it's unprofessional but I travel enough to have seen most TSA employees do just about EVERYTHING unprofessionally so I do not see why this would be any different.

For those that asked about leaked photos, here's a link. Remember that a "normal" person may not really be all that enthralled with the fuzzy images, but imagine the image is of your young teenage daughter and the minimum wage TSA employee is a sicko: 100 first leaked pics Also these images are much sharper when they come from the xray version of this machine. I believe this is one of the other types that uses different radio waves.

Make sure to smile at her as the biggest meanest dude there is the one who grabs your nuts. Same sex only.

Ironically enough this technology wouldn't find a bomb in your anus.

Cannot argue with that. Thank you for the discourse, all food for thought.

That's ridiculous. They have a right to deny you passage, but they do not have a right to violate your person as a qualification to travel. There's a HUGE difference there. I can't find the case law but I seem to remember that the Supreme Court has ruled that such violations of basic rights in exchange for something like travel is beyond the scope of governmental control. So can they say "nope you can't fly"? Yes. But they are not allowed to require you give up an inalienable right in exchange for travel. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

I don't think in our current society that's a realistic thing to do for many people but I appreciate your viewpoint. Let's hope that this can be resolved through our legal system. The ACLU (who I usually am wary of) is bringing up lawsuits already.

It's been shown that these photos ARE leaking out of the airport. Also the jury is still out as to any long term issues due to being bombarded by xrays. My wife has a high risk of cancer due to family history, should she be groped because she chooses to not tempt fate by walking into a xray hot box? In this case you are choosing to have your privacy violated "this" way or "that" way. What kind of choice is that? I cannot believe that you'd compare this to the "what if everyone had the right to do whatever they wanted" argument. I've been traveling for years and have no issues with them scanning my bags or going through a metal detector. But these new methods are horribly invasive and I find the trend disturbing.

For those asking if you have "rights" after you buy a ticket, yes, you and your family have a right not to be sexually assaulted either visually (scanners) or physically regardless of the contract implied by said ticket purchase. My friends young, attractive, jailbait daughter had to go through the full body scan machine because she refused to allow some unknown low paid non trained person to touch her. And she reads the news and knows that they cannot keep sickos from taking photos of the screen and doing things with it. And yeah, with how she is built there's no question about what you are looking at I'd wager. She felt violated. That's bullhish. this is America not f'ing communist USSR where you have no rights. Nobody should feel raped as a condition of traveling through the air. If this wasn't the government doing it, people would be in jail and on the sex offenders list. Truth.

This guy has a set of balls, that's for sure. I applaud it too because anyone who has traveled knows what a crock the TSA is. Under-trained, over-funded, and no real knowledge of what a citizens rights actually are.... TSA Full Body Scanner Incident

Just called the coordinator listed on their web site to "verify" that my references made it back. You know, because the post office has lost them 3 times in the past when I applied for permits.... Hope things are on track though. I want to get both XDM's before their magazine offer expires!

Thanks to everyone who has served, and is still serving. We wouldn't be the nation that we are without the support of our armed men and women.

I think that looks amazing. I love seeing stuff like this. So much talent out there!

Yeah usually where I live it takes 2+ months but this time they had the references out in 2 days and I had them back the next. Interested to see what happens. But I know better than to complain or I'll never get a permit again. It's that crooked. God, the sooner we get rid of this dumb system and rely on NICS the better off everyone is....

Great to hear, what a great group of people. Rarely will anyone meet someone as dedicated as Anthony is to teaching firearms safety as a hobby and a way of life. Congrats on the expansions!

That's a good question, please let us know what he says.

Well, all references sent the responses in the mail from one town over. Which means they SHOULD have them already. But I will wait until next Wednesday to call and ask. I don't have much time here! I've got the itch and that XDM has my name alllll over it and it needs to be in my safe NOW!

Everyone who said "try as many out as possible" has the right answer. Plus trying toys before you buy is FUN!