Bob B

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Got VA on 5/6, about 45 days.

I was going to post something, but I see that all has digressed. I sense a lock coming.

$8,020 53% of goal. We're on the downhill side now. It seems that our current lawsuit seeking access to NJSP's firearms application guidebook has proven beyond any doubt that we are willing to go to the mat on this. Thank you to all who have donated. We may have a decision in our current lawsuit as early as July and we are hard at work planning the next step in OEC. Please keep spreading the word. Every little bit helps.

http://volokh.com/20...guns-in-public/ Kudos to Volokh.com Very interesting read.

Heard it live. Terrific job Frank.

^^^ Of course, the argument that something can be made worse if we bring attention to it can be used for everything. The unfortunate truth is that those that have the opposite view of ours are already trying to do that. Two years ago, at the Firearms Task Force public hearing, Bryan Miller suggested that fees be raised. Silence is taken as a lack of interest in the issue and makes it easier for our opposition to push their ideas. As they say in the Marines, "Anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing."

S&W 41, Clark Barrel, Original Barrel, Aimpoint 3000, $700 no reserve (22 LR) Saw this on gunbroker. Good deal. Easily worth $1,000. This setup is for bullseye pistol shooting. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=229793066

Two avenues of approach to the same objective.

I was very impressed with Rabbi Bendory. I feel like NJ2AS made a good friend tonight.

Yes. OPRA allows for the recovery of Attorney's fees and court costs, but, we have to be the prevailing party. Any money that we save as a result of that, will stay in the Operation Establish Compliance litigation fund and will be used in future cases. NJ2AS v. NJSP is only the first step. We already have our next case on the drafting table. In the mean time, funding remains critically important.

I just wanted to point out that, if not for the participation of those on this forum in the form of the permitting data collection, forms, documents and other information (which includes the heated debates that we sometimes get into), we would not have uncovered the existence of this guidebook and we would not have had the information that we needed to move forward with this lawsuit. Everyone on this forum should feel pretty good about how we have worked together to make this happen. This is just a first step, but it is an important one. We are officially in the fight.

Interesting. Goodbye OGAM, goodbye PPP. If NJ doesn't change it's laws, the gun shops are going to have a pretty hard time staying in business.

Congratulations!

^^^ +1 You could end up with a barrel obstruction and the next round would blow up your shotgun. Boom!

If you had them done at a NJ2AS meeting, they will do them again at no charge. If you did them somewhere else, you can still go to the next NJ2AS meeting to get them done (5/11 in Bellville at Gun for Hire).

Tell your Captain to check the NJSP Firearms Guidebook. I am told that it clearly states that if there is no Chief of Police, the highest ranking officer may approve FID's and PPP's. The NJSP Firearms Investigation Unit may be able to help you by calling him for you.

Yup. No argument here. The Constitution is not self enforcing and municipality PD's (not all, but many) have a terrible habit of not following the law when it comes to firearms permitting. That's what Operation Establish Compliance is about. This has been going on for so long, and it is getting worse, not better. You kind of expect legislators to be difficult, but the PD's should have at least made an honest effort after McDonald to get their procedures in line. It's embarrassing.

Are you saying that you are unable to get a FID or PPP because you are not a citizen, but you are a legal resident?

The Slaughterhouse cases absolutely declared the bill of rights as preexisting rights not granted by the Constitution, but protected by the constitution. The bottom line is that the 2nd Amendment is incorporated against the states through the 14th Amendment's Due Process clause. The first section of the 14th Amendment is worded in a particular way. There is the Privileges and Immunities clause which only applies to citizens, but the Due Process clause applies to "any person." Since the 2nd Amendment is incorporated through the 14th Amendment's Due Process clause, it applies to everyone, whether or not you are a citizen. You could even argue that people that are here illegally are protected. Do illegal aliens get read their Miranda rights? I believe they do. That's how it works. Whether you agree with it or not is, of course, another matter entirely.

Happy Birthday Tony!

$4,720 31% of goal.

Got AZ back today (4/8), 16 days - not bad.

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