Bob B

Start with an understanding of each Statute: 2C:39-1 Definitions. Most notable are the definitions of Assault Firearms, paragraph w, and large capacity magazines w(4) and y. 2C:39-2 Presumptions (not too much going on here) 2C:39-3 Prohibited weapons and devices. Most notable is HP ammo, paragraph f. 2C:39-4 Possession of weapons for unlawful purposes. Short version, firearm + intent to commit a crime = 2nd degree crime 2C:39-5 Unlawful possession of weapons. Short version - no permit means, must be within an exemption. FID allows possession of unloaded rifles and shotguns outside of the exemptions, Permit to Carry a Handgun allows possession of a handgun outside of the exemptions. No one can have a machine gun. 2C:39-6 Exemptions - at home, at the range, transport to and from and while moving in closed, fastened case, gun box, tied package or locked in the trunk. 2C:39-7 Certain persons not to have weapons. Short version - felon or other violent crime or mental illness + gun = 2nd degree crime. Beyond this point deals with manufacture and retailers and some miscellaneous stuff. 2C:58-3 Purchase of firearms. Short version, FID and PPP. 2C:58-3.1 and 3.2 Temporary transfer of firearms 2C:58-3.3 "Handgun Ammunition" defined; sale, purchase, etc., regulated; violation, fourth degree crime. 2C:58-3.4 Exemption to OGAM 2C:58-4 Permits to carry handguns The thing to understand is that you can delete 2C:39-1 w and y and delete "dum dum" and "hollow nose" out of 2C:39-3f and delete all of 2C:39-5. Then add "ammunition" and "magazines" to 2C:39-4 and 2C:39-7 and you would have a legal framework that makes it illegal for anyone with criminal intent or criminal (or mental) history to possess guns, ammo, or magazines and allows everyone else, i.e. the good guys, to possess any firearm without a permit. Add to that NICS at the point of purchase for any gun, ammo or magazines (sorry about the ammo and magazines, but that's so we can eliminate mag restrictions and get rid of the log book for recording ammo sales and put to rest the whole HP issue) and you have a pretty good system. Now, walk your way over to 2C:58. Delete 2C:58-3 because it is already illegal for those with criminal intent or criminal or mental history to possess any firearm, ammo or magazine. Change 2C:58-3.1 and 3.2 to read, "it is a third degree crime to transfer a firearm, ammo or magazine to anyone you know to be disqualified from possessing a firearm under 2C:39-7." Change 2C:58-3.3 to just be an age check. Delete 2C:58-3.4 because we already deleted 2C:58-3 so there is no more OGAM. Delete 2C:58-4 because 2C:39-5 is already deleted so you can carry if you are not disqualified under 2C:39-4 or 2C:39-7. Result, good guys can purchase and possess any guns, ammo or magazines with no permit, bad guys cannot purchase any gun, ammo or magazines from a retailer and cannot possess any gun, ammo or magazine whatsoever or he goes to jail for 5yrs minimum. Add civil and criminal immunity for self-defense inside and outside of the home with no duty to retreat, ever and criminals would be an endangered species in NJ. Wouldn't that be something. And that's all she wrote.

Not sure how far you are from Princeton Junction, but CRRC (Citizens Rifle and Revolver Club) has a good Jr. Rifle program. Not sure if you have to be a member or not to participate. http://www.crrc.org/crrc.htm http://www.crrc.org/activities.htm http://www.crrc.org/junior.htm

You're a gentleman!

Thank you. Scan as PDF if possible.

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/

Now that's funny!

"It's an exciting time to be a gun owner in New Jersey!" Attorney Dan Schmutter at the Feb 16th NJ2AS meeting, Belleville, NJ

$1195, 8% of goal!

Looks great Tom! This really should help us get the word out.

Congratulations!

Terrific idea Maks! Bravo!

PK90, I'm going to spare you the trouble this time.B) There goes that "S" word again!

Good point.

Well said Ken. Thanks for the support.

Page 4, line 19 of the actual bill (link below) is where the words "other than" appear, then the reference to states that issue permits to their residents. HR 822 text

A LEO will likely view you as transporting your firearms under the "moving" exemption. This exemption is an "affirmative" defense, which means you have to prove that you are moving. You may want to have a copy of your new lease, or closing documents with you to prove that you are moving, in the unlikely event that you do get pulled over and the officer somehow finds out you are transporting firearms. A copy of 2C:39-6 wouldn't hurt either, just in case.

It's the language after the words "other than" that seems to indicate that the reciprocity does not apply in a state of residence that issues permits, but does apply everywhere else. Not saying it makes sense, just that that seems to be what it says.

HR 822 Text The language of the bill is very difficult to understand, so I stripped out all but the operative text and got this: What that means to me is that if you live in NJ, which technically allows residents to obtain licenses, and you have a FL permit (for example) then you can carry in every state and U.S. territory, except NJ. And, someone from PA (for example) who has a FL license, could carry in NJ. Strange.

Shameful :icon_neutral:

$1095, 7% of goal. Keep spreading the word. Thank you to all who have donated so far.

Dan, you're officially my hero!

I think you are correct, but have it backwards. Why have the permit when there is a NICS check at the time of purchase?

Welcome aboard Rob! We're honored.

Thank you! Agreed. There are several components to this problem - exceeding the 30 day limit, the additional forms, the requirement to notarize, the spouse letter, the household member letter, the blanket authorization for release of background information including banks, credit agencies, etc., the additional fees, the 30 day wait for an appointment at Sagem Morpho, the actual language on the forms, the notification of employers and educational institutions - there's a lot to choose from. The goal is not to try and fix all of them at once. The goal is to focus on one or two or three that are the clearest violations, with the greatest chances for success and the most probability to result in favorable case law that can be used to our advantage in the future. This is a chess match, and, like in chess, the opening is critical. And that is what this is, an opening... we are opening a new front in the war against bad gun law in New Jersey and it's WE that are doing it - the guys and gals on this forum and others. Nobody's pulling the reins. Nobody is looking over our shoulder. We are making this happen.

Great job, Rob!