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With very effort to be respectful - Wojo you don't hunt do you? Running, walking deer are safe shots as with everything you must know you back stop. And if you cannot hit deer sized game with 5x @ 200 you should stay home. Further more...even sabot slugs are iffy at 200 yds. 200 yds is kind of wishful. Max capaility is aout 150 then the tragectory really starts to fall off.

Sorry Wojo- Totally disagree. Go w/ a low power scope. If you have to take a shot on the run 1.5 is still alot. I sit w/ the scope set low and if I have a far shot I have time to ramp it up.

Chris- What are you talking about? .223 cost about 50% more than 9mm unless you shoot that steel cased ****. I wouldn't shoot that stuff in any gun I valued.

Hunt Jersey. Get a hunting license, a rifle permit and find a piece of land and shoot chucks. You'll have a ball. Farmers hate chucks. Drive your truck into the field, summertime, loaf of Italian bread, pepperoni, sharp cheese, non alcholic beverage(LOL) a blanket, your girl friend, a spotting scope and your rifle. Got the picture

Now that this thread is totally hijacked Here's why you are wrong but seem "right" in your own mind. You're not objective and have a vested interest. Your union screwed you by allowing pension money to be spent in the general fund. Your union has gotten you better and better contracts over the years as a red herring. Those valued desk jockies you refer to as experienced or seasoned that are not best used on the street Who is going to direct those troops if you have no command and supervisory structure? In many cases these guys are politicians in blue. Additionally the Camden layoff issue occured after negotiations failed It's a lousey corrupt system and you are only a pawn. This system is top heavy. I don't begrudge you a decent living by any means but if you look at the skill set required it's a lower management job. And don't tell me about the danger aspect... Look at statistics. Back to your union...Years ago there were armed "specials" to suppliment the work force. No more... You know why? So a regular could be on OT. Until you see this clearly you will remain part of the problem. And don't compare this to other unions... They don't compare. Trade unions get no sick days, no vacation and no early retirements. Now I have lots of first responders of all kinds, family and friends. And you have to open your eyes. The public, read voters, read your employers, will not continue to bleed money for this bureaucratic system and you are the pawn.

That's what Scott Bach told me...+1

I understand how you have come to your point of view. But I dissagree with many of your points and agree with a few. We're not solving any problems here. As I said before. Just be safe. You seem like a good guy. Wrong but good.

Corporately, a consultant (third party) is hired and it it determined where the cuts should be made to best serve the business. That's what should be done in pulic service as well.

Respecfully... I don't think she has a snowballs chance in hell of getting a carry permit.

Not always the case. And you don't see the problem. One Capt's salary may equal two or more patrolman that could be on the street... And you don't see the problem...

So why are the less competent higher paid employees staying and the more qualified lower paid employees getting canned? UNION? Do you think there is a problem here too? No matter what the case... LEOs be safe out there! BTW agreed the theiving politicians suck!

The barrels have been ordered. I will not be ordering any more barrels until I assemble another order. FS

Ok Mark and you guys heading up north this afternoon. 11:30am Just came in from cleaning up the mess. In Oak Ridge it's raining and the snow is turning to slush. If this stuff freezes at rush hour we've got a problem. Otherwise it's just a mess.

Hey Chris - Here's the reason I go w/ KKM. Majority opinion has it that KKM barrels are more accurate, are made in the USA and I've been made aware of some feeding issues on LW that they have corrected when sent back to the factory. So since I'm a poor shooter, love the USA and get really POed when something doesn't function properly. I go w/ KKM. And it's only another $50. KKM does make a variety of barrels for a G20.

I can pull wire. I want to work with Ray Ray!!!

Now that Eric mentioned it I saw the same yhing initally and thought it just may be the picture. But looking at the second picture it appears obvious. Why did it take so long for someone to pick-up on this? Were you shooting any steel cased ammo? Being that this is a controlled feed system There's your problem. Now what do you do with it? Clean it up and try it, a smith or back to the factory?

Pm me and I'd be willing to talk about it.

You may need a striker spring Bubba...

http://www.jsesurplus.com/ I like these guys but look around. Lower for $250 too if they still have them.

To all you "old timers" is this the former "Charlie Brenner's Sport Shop"?

You're right Tommy. But, here's something else to think about... Pass-throughs. And colateral damage at midnight on a Jog+-+- The stress of the situation dictates a bunch. Just as a for instance. Here's a drill for use with airsoft or paint ball. Have one of your buddies push you backwards so you land on your back or shoulder. As you're falling or as you hit the floor, draw and shoot. I bet percentage of hit is pretty low. Just my $.02 for what it's worth...

Tommy rethink that one... I think it's pretty good.

This is a REAL issue especially in 9mm as you are starting out with a pretty high pressure cartridge to begin with. I would contact Remington and at minimum have the stuff replaced. They should make good for it at least and at best you could end up with a generous amount of ammo.

Anybody have any idea of the price tag?