Old School

Anybody want to bet how many episodes be for you see Joe Pantoliano?

Go with Ray Ray's HP. You can't go wrong. You won't be disappointed. It is such a well accepted design and it's been around since 1935. You'll never loose money on the purchase of a HP. So buy a nice one and keep it nice. Mine has never missed a beat.

Colin- What a boring rifle... When are you going to sell it to me or trade me for something "Tacticool" You know I love that rifle...

If anybody needs 8X57 brass and dies I have them up for grabs. I believe 8X57J as well. Cheap or trade.

Luis, Luis, Luis... No sarcasm intended. It's me Frank! You know I'm not like THAT!! The reason I said "magic" was for Mike. Because I find W231 one of the most universal powders and use it for both 9mm and 45acp. Mike actually calls me 231 at times. So no poke at you buddy. BTW I've seen you shoot. I have to be "nice" to you.

I shoot the "magic" Luis load as well.

Interesting ink. Looks like nice work. Keep Bacitracine away from it or it will fade. The issue is always make sure it's something you want for life. Now as a gentile ink is no problem for me. But I thought the chosen ones were forbiden to have tattoos. I met a couple of Israely guys that said they had to be fileted before they were put into consecrated ground. Is that true?

Maks- Team GLOCK shoots 147's @ around 900fps so you seem to be on the right track. The claim is reduced recoil. Now I still shoot 115's @ 1150 and I don't really notice a difference at my level of shooting.

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I've been dragging my feet on this for awhile but it's going to happen Monday. If anybody needs GLOCK parts let me know and you get them at my price plus shipping. No conversion barrels only OEM parts. Lunker - Just PM me and confirm what you still want.(I won't disclose what it is as it's a skunkworks project) Frank

Yeah Shane - that's what I was thinking and hold the trigger back tight after each shot and let the disconnector do it's job. Also smiths have a tendency to make the trigger return leaf to light.

http://frontsight.com/newsletter/html/37-what-not-to-do.html This is somewhat related, a 911 call about a HD shooting all may find interesting. What not to do!

And "Idiot Proof" has a lot to be said for it. Booger Picker on the Bang Switch and away you go. A REAL IMPORTANT thing to remember and to teach those with limited traning is,THERE IS NO MAGAZINE SAFETY!

Shane we agree about Military and Paramilitary situations. But, they require different parameters than home defense and different considerations. I don't need to watch Myth Busters. I can only tell you what I've seen. If your PM was available I was going to tell you about a very personal experience that will not be mentioned here. As far as selling to PD's, been there done that and again I agree somewhat, when it comes to yearly spending or firearms contracts they are tight as a crabs a** also when there's money in the budget it is a use it or loose it situation. But when we did maintenance work for them the weapons were virtually unserviceable. I don't load bird shot for home defense. Rifled slugs for bruins and 9mm for zombies. The rifled slugs are because I need immediate termination of the threat coming from one specific loacation in an area 4 feet wide at a distance of 15-20 feet. The 9mm's are for family use and are a compromise everyone is comfortable with. Shane, I know what the data says and I consider it undisputable. I also know what I've seen and in different situations make different choices based on many factors. I respect your views on the majority of your posts but here we differ and I believe it revolves around the environment a conflict occurs in. Respectfully, Frank BTW let's all pray we never have to pull the trigger and if we must... The outcome is favorable.

Jen- I don't know what the deal is... Forum members don't attend these events? I go to every one I can, my wife, my dasugghter and I. I can't attend this one but will be at the one in Crystal Springs in Oct. If you get a table at Crystal Springs I'm in. I've been trying to get a forum table together but I'm whistling in the wind. Let me know about Crystal Springs. Frank

Bump- Nobody is interested?

Hey Mark where is the test for sheet rock, R18 insulation, wafer board and cedar shakes? That's what it's going to hit before it gets to your neighbor's house. IF...you are lucky enough to shoot to an outside wall. I have seen a 38 wadcutter go through 2X sheet rock nick a steel shelf go through a fire door and hit someone in the leg outside. Luckily it was spent by then. All this tacticool BS. You don't live in Utah or AZ. Most of you live in urban areas. Be Responcible

BS..They are doing it because they have the budget and it is tacticool. Damned rifles will rust to **** before they ever get any wear. We used to do clean and oil for an urban department and the biggest problem was getting the cigar ashes out of the barrels. Haven't you noticed local PDs becoming more paramilitary? Have you thought about those consequences?

Yeah Shane, I think that is the point. I just shoot off of bags to test ammo and the gun. Only really do it once for load developement. Usually at the same time I chrono. Any other fire is off hand. And BTW I only bag at 20yds. Two guns that I have done in the past year are GLOCK 34 4 inches off bags at 20 yds. and STI .45 a clover leaf at 20 yds. Off hand slow fire it varies day to day.

PM sent to Shane Sorry Shane you can't get any new messages, as per the flag.

Bob- Thanks for your patience. I didn't have the patience to go through all that. This should be part of the cirriculum in any firearms training. Just read a book and leave "Tacticool" to the airsoft boys.

Again... You guys are killing me!!!!! The biggest room in my house is the family room and it is 25 feet long. OK so that's 8 yards. Rule of thumb is shotgun patterns give you 1" of spread per yard. So... at 8 yards I'm throwing a 8" pattern weighing 1 1/4oz at 1400fps into somebodies center mass. Somebody do the foot pounds calculation please. Now if that doesn't knock down Godzilla I want to know why. So I take a lousy shot. Take out an arm, Gozilla goes down. I miss and hit the groin, Godzilla goes down. My shot goes high and I hit Godzilla in the throat or face, what happens? The only benefit I can see to one shot kills is you won't have somebody to sue you but they're family will so what's the issue. If I wasn't concerned about over penetration I'd take double taps with the AR. Oh! I did the calculation. 2376 foot pounds For comparison...308 has 2460 ft. lbs. of energy at the muzzle compared to 1350 ft. lbs. of energy for the .44 Magnum Just some thoughts...

You guys are killing me....

Shane- I've seen a 2X4 cut in half with bird shot at close range. So I kind of think in 12ga bird shot is formidable. Just my opinion

Now I used this guy http://triggerwork.net/index.html Springfield Triggers. Got a solid 4# trigger. It was a little gritty when I got it but a little stoneing and it breaks real clean. He goes down to 2# but I chose 4# because I run around with the gun in USPSA. He modifies the stock trigger and bobs the hammer. I always have doubts about moding the stock triggers because they are case hardened and the hard surface can be removed. But about 400 rounds into it no problems. and he gets about $40. I've used Timneys on bolt rifles and they are hard to beat. Good luck. BTW is your trigger adjustable? Frank