Old School

Scrap - If you really want to turn a new shooter off...Start them with a "Chief Special". It's a handgun I'll only shoot when I have to.

I'm a little confused and you may be all over the place. Does she and you have interest primarily in rifle or handgun? What ever the case 22lr is my first choice IMHO. A 22lr rifle should be fine under any circumstances. That's where I'd start. Then 22lr pistol. Please impress the lethality of the diminutive 22lr cartridge. If she's thinking CCW 22lr conversion on a center fire handgun always works.

So I guess we're diverting from this thread but Stoner and old C-Products mags are dimpled. You can knock those dimples out in the same time as you can drill rivets. Now Paul's mag are Really permanent. I'll see Joe and as you know Nothing is or ever was free. Thanks for clarifying that you expressed your OPINION.

Nick - Do you have an AG or SP letter on this? This has been kicked around a lot. Where are my primers?

So what you are saying if you stamp "M1" on a broom stick it's illegal? Sorry I don't think that is the case. Ask the AG to chamber a "30 carbine" round. Does anyone have a pic of the actual model stamping on this carbine?

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Caution : A light recoil spring and heavy striker spring can pull the gun out of battery when you pull the trigger. I don't know if this is your situation but just saying. I like stock, stock, stock for defense.

308 will be more expensive to shoot. Take that into account

Not a name in my daily vernacular!

There was a similar thread just recently by "Topher" . Because of price and the ease of changing barrels he went with Savage. Price point? You'll spend as much on good glass as you will on a rifle. Caliber? Do you handload? Yep 223 and 308 are common calibers if you don't handload. What's your budget for rifle and scope? Fixed it!

The temp stable thing I think is overstated. I make it a point to never leave ammo laying in the sun and that is the extreme when most powders change. W748 and CFE223 work well for me and don't see any pressure changes. In this environment I kind of use what I can get and is suitable.

Why TAC?

I didn't see a S&W mod 19 mentioned. Pretty reasonable used and capable.

I recently used North East Bluing in Middletown, NY I'm very particular about bluing and they met / exceeded my expectations. And they are reasonable and do Ceracoat as well.

Not saying this will work for you and I accept no liability 25gr of W748 or CFE 223 under 55gr BTFMJ. CCI or Wolf primer various cases seem safe. Crimped at cannelure about COL 2.250 +005 - 0

Thanks for the lengthy post Vlad! Bottom line follow load data! Agreed! Some powders (many are listed in load data) are better than others for a given use even though may will work safely. Chet on this...Bullet obduration with lead bullets.

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This is not necessarily correct. What I am about to say relates to rifle cartridges. Top reloaders choose a suitable powder that fills about 95% of the case. There are of course exceptions related to loading data such as compressed loads with certain powders. Again this relates to rifle cartridges and top accuracy loads. I can's see why this wouldn't carry over to pistol cartridges.

Eat your popcorn...Where are my primers?

Not really so...maybe semantics. I have an LCP and a PW9. Neither one can be seen in my pocket.

Kahr PW9 - smallest I've found and it's almost a GLOCK inside. I can live with the trigger, it fits in to your price range. If you want to shoot it you're welcome to. FS

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Old school? Old fart? Get with the program. ARs make excellent varmint rifles. I remember you commenting on my stuff. There are some excellent barrels out there with matched bolts.

Griz - You're right on all counts! I'm not crazy about 38 Super though because it is a "Semi-Rimmed" cartridge.