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In regard to enforcing carry, just remember who runs the show in DC, it's not some judge, it's the damn 5-0. I brought a handgun into the district once and left it locked in the car as I wandered around the monuments so yes it can be done. The cops on the beat who have never had to deal with citizens carrying handguns will read the bosses memo and see that your non resident permit is not mentioned in the scenarios. Guess what he/she will do? Who here thinks that they'll defer to the district court ruling because they can't find a scenario for NJ residents? You're boned I'm afraid.

What this means to NJ is what Heller v DC eventually meant to Chicago, if it makes it to SCOTUS, carry will be defined once and for all. Then we sue again based on this win and get the carry part of the 2nd incorporated to the states

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/supreme-court-declines-hear-challenge-nj-gun-law/ The U.S. Supreme Court has apparently deferred on weighing a gun-related case challenging New Jersey’s mandate that citizens must show a “justifiable need” to carry a gun in public for protection. Another county heard from, gunfeed.com has "Supreme Court declines to hear challenge to N.J. gun law" as there lead link, think they got it wrong

http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/042114zor_c0n2.pdf I see no mention of John M. Drake v. Edward A. Jerejian at all, nor does the No. 13-827 appear, looks like they didn't decide whether or not to grant cert

Drive to PA, legally buy a non firearm (according to PA & USA statutes), drive back over the river with non-firearm stored per NJ statute. Your travel is covered by exemptions and your ownership is legal, you don't need an FID or pistol purchase permit to buy a non firearm in PA, once you own it you don't need a FID or pistol purchase permit to own it in NJ. Of course you own any firearm at your peril in NJ yadayada.

Funny how time/place/manner makes all the difference. I was at a steel match in NJ, probably 200 people all walking around the 6 lanes with handguns in holsters or at the line making the bang-ding noise. A 20 something local LEO just happen to be patrolling and wandered into the parking area near the competition. First and only time I've seen a cop on the job at our club. He was standing near his squad car surveying the scene. No one gave him much more than a look. Never walked over to the registration table or engaged any of the participants. He's the one who felt out of place, not anyone else.

absolutely no need for 120 or even 1 day for state to act, IL had no carry permit scheme, NJ does. The day of the ruling, superior courts (they issue permits) must allow "self defense" as your "justifiable need" in your "letter of need" attached to your application. No further statutes or admin code required.

Gura did answer a question at a NJ2AS meeting, it was about magazine capacity. His answer concerning handguns was if it fit into a standard grip (as designed) then it was standard capacity and of course the gun is in common use so it should be allowable via Heller. Ditto for AR-15's is my guess, 30 round is standard and there are 2-3 million AR's out and about so 30 round must be standard. Something onerous like the 7 round NY statute needs to work it's way through the courts, that and AWB is probably the next wave for SAF, NRA and others.

100% true, except for items not covered by BAFTE. That includes air rifles, 1800's Mauser (like the ones Sportsman's Guide would send right to your house, except if you live in NJ) and similar. In NJ you need an FID and a pistol purchase permit to buy a sling shot or FID for a pellet gun. In PA you wander into a Walmart and just buy them.

Probably all about timing, Sweeney and his hoard aren't necessarily interested in 15 vs 10 per se, it's more about branding. Someone wants to run national and someone wants to be gov when CC leaves office. The dog pile mentality is bridgegate motivated. They can revisit the mag capacity some other time so long as it serves the purpose of tarring CC and elevating Sweeney et al in any local race.

Even more irony: Nov. 20, 1789, New Jersey ratified the Bill of Rights, comprising the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution. It was the first state to do so.

The only thing I'm worried about is how will they fit the make/models of all my hand guns on the permit? Unlike free America, in NJ you can only carry what's listed. I may need a page two, ha!

Yeah, that's what happened with the last one from Auto Ordinance, some NJSP guy wrote a letter stating it was ok, then too much chatter and the dumb 1st AG that Christie appointed made everyone who bought one return them or else

Here is a very good website set up like a power point presentation, puts the whole assault weapon thing in perspective I got this link about a year ago when all the nonsense was happening in Wash DC http://www.assaultweapon.info/

Hypotheticals further illustrate the weakness of this methodology. A mouse is not an "elephant" solely because it has three characteristics that are common to known elephants: a tail, gray skin, and four legs. A child's bike is not a "motorcycle" solely because it has three characteristics common to known motorcycles: two rubber tires, handlebars, and a leather seat. And a Bud Light is not "Single-Malt Scotch," just because it is frequently served in a glass container, contains alcohol, and is available for purchase at a tavern Read that in context here: http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/03/dc-court-holds-batfe-may-not-be.html Which got me thinking, is there case law out there that follows this judges reasoning? The quote above was his musing about how BAFTE decides if a gun muffler is a gun muffler and not something else. Funny they use muffler instead of suppressor. Point being that using three characteristics to determine the muffler-ness of a gadget is not good enough in the judge's mind. Now let's consider assault weapons. A purely made up term by a sinister force. It's a political term, it has no real definition so they banned stuff by name and then they extended that reach to ban by characteristics. I'd love to see someone from a dumb AG office like NJ defend the current statute. Anyone see the silly non pistol grip stock they are selling in NY so people can buy AR's? Now the rifle only has one evil feature, a removable magazine, so it's OK. That's what it's come down to, cosmetic features. I'd love to see that law before a judge like this, he'd common sense it to death.

Why not, I'll agree, Scalia already hinted that eventually a case like this would be heard, with all the splits this may be the right time and of course the most egresious offender of liberty of them all.

Wow, didn't even know about that, is that DOT statutes? Never bought more than 5lbs of powder at a time

no, private all the way

I guess they can submit as many supplemental briefs as they want but the main documents from the Gura/SAF/ANJRPC team and NJ are in. SCOTUS has the matter on the docket for a conference 4/18, which means that after they vote on 4/18 (we need only 4 justices to vote on our behalf), we'll know. They usually release the decisions from conference within a week. There are only two choices at that point I believe, 1. We (meaning SCOTUS) will hear the case and 2. We will not hear the case. There may be a 3rd instance I'm not aware of in which they may ask for more information to decide but I'm thinking they have enough in front of them. If they hear the case, not sure when they put oral arguments on the calendar. If they deny hearing the case they never give a reason and it's game over.

Here it is, conference date for Drake v Jerejian. SCOTUS will decide 4/18/14 whether to hear the case. http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/petitions-were-watching/ That decision will be public probably the following week.

About 3-4 years ago I had to show my NJFID at Solomon's to buy primers, he scribbled the info into a ledger. PA is safer in my opinion, who the hell wants to be called by the NJSP one day because you have a cache of supplies to make 1000's of bullets for your arsenal of guns? Isn't that what things are devolving to in dumb states like NJ?

Funny story, we caught one in a live trap, threw it on the back of a garden cart and walked about 1/2 mile away from the house into the woods. My kids watched me carry the cage across the stream to the other side and open the door. That groundhog ran out, swam across the water and continued running in the direction of my house. Now they go for a car ride 5 miles away before I release.

Rule #1 Never take the advise of any NJ Police Officer when it concerns firearms. They can and have been wrong and their mistake is no legal excuse. Rule #2 All guns are illegal in NJ except, know your all your excepts Rule #3 See rules 1 & 2

Read that if an appeal ruling is out there, in uncharted territory, then en banc is warranted. If the appeal is heavy on case law, like this one was, then generally the full court won't here it. Why should they unless case law was widely misapplied? Then again it's the CA9

Gura files another brief in light of the CA9 opinion http://saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/drake_supplemental_FILED.pdf