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Oh, we know! Want to trade houses (or drivers licenses for an hour)

Right. It's a $24.00 'investment' to ensure I will always have a valid PP available.

Submitted a request for 3 PP on Dec. 3 to NJSP at Kingwood. They have not even contacted my references yet. From now on I submit a request for 3 PP every 90 days, whether I need it or not.

CNN - who cares. But if you want to tilt this admittedly non-scientific poll -- you can vote as often as you like. Just like in Chicago!

Uh-Oh - you called Gunny "Sir" and got away with it? Drop and give me 50!

John Fox has me beat, but not by much. Forty seven and a half years here. Nobody else could possibly have put up with me this long!

I think I smell a troll. Lunicy (sic)... Mental....Tuscon

Thanks, Bob. I failed to consider their desire to drive ALL guns out of the state!

Can we take a handgun across the river to a gunsmith and back (secured in the trunk, no ammo, etc.) without any paperwork for NJ?. It's less a transport question than it is a "possession" question. I'd like to have some 1911 work done also

All true - but - the Vactioner-in-Chief will load the court with liberal antis as soon as possible. Hide and watch.

Bingo - we have a winner! The laws in NJ concerning firearms rot (as do others) but it is what it is. The only way to improve the situation is to get the law changed. Of course, as Vlad said, the alternative is to move from the Peoples Liberal Republik of New Jersey. If only I could! Don't confuse logic or what is right with the law: the law will always win.

I do not have all of the facts, nor what was presented to the jury. From what I have read he had one or more handguns in the trunk of his car, was not going to/from a range, dealer, etc., and was not in the process of moving the handgun(s) from another state to NJ (although that is less than clear). If all of the above is true he would be in violation of 2C:39-5 and none of the exemptions in 2C:39-6 applied. If that was the charge, I would vote guilty. That's a lot of "ifs".

This is a fascinating thread. The argument that a jury can, and perhaps should, return a not guilty finding because they disagree with the law presents some interesting issues to consider: Example 1: We don't like the defendant because he is old (I can say that!) so we will find him guilty even though we aren't sure he is. Example 2: The defendant is a church-going man who made a mistake. Although it is clear he committed the crime we will find him not guilty because he is a charitable person. Example 3: The defendant is clearly guilty but we disagree with the law so find him not guilty. What is right and what is wrong? We are a country of laws. Our elected legislators create the laws on behalf of the citizens. Common law and common sense might justify any of the above example but that does not make it legal. I may be wrong on this. Can anyone cite the law which authorizes these variations? It is a slippery slope we start down when we have jurors trying to change law. It is no better, and perhaps worse, than activist judges ruling not on the law but on their personal beliefs and prejudices. Think of the Ninth Circuit Court as the poster child for activist jurists. This is all food for thought and honest discussion, not intended as criticism of any prior posts. One last thing - I should have prefaced this post with the now famous disclosure: "IANAL, but......"!

I last saw Mr. Charles outside of Saigon in 1966

Wow - just wow!

Kudos to Nick T. I didn't know how to contribute either until he asked. thanks, Nick!

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The Florida Concealed Weapons License is valid in many states - but NOT the Peoples Republik of New Jersey http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

As usual - I changed course halfway through. I ended up, for now, getting the .22LR Kimber conversion for my Springfield GI 1911. Of course, after the purchase I read a LOT more Internet lore and scared myself silly. Lots of stories of failure to feed, eject, fire, etc. Talk about the need to change out the mainspring and rumors of the necessity to pray to the firearms gods that the kit would fit on my 1911 since many don't. Also, lots of tales of no more than 5 rounds in a row without a failure of some sort. Panic city! Cleaned the conversion, lubed it, installed on my Springfield and ran the slide about 50 times manually. Well, it felt OK to me, but what do I know? Took the new Frankenstein gun (is that a KimbField?) to the range this afternoon and ran 100 rounds of CCI Mini-Mags through it. The only issue was a single failure to fire, and the pin mark on the casing was solid. Bad round? Whatever, 99 perfect cycles is A-OK in my book. Accuracy was fine, although the sights may need a minor adjustment. I forgot my screwdriver so couldn't do it at the range. It shoots better than I do, so I'm good to go. Actually, Stevie Wonder probably shoots better than I do, so no great comparison there. It held tight groups on paper and tagged the steel at 50 feet. I still would have preferred the GSG 1911 but I have a Dan Wesson 1911 Bobtail CCO already paid for and sitting in the dealer's safe until the paperwork gets through the state cycle. I couldn't see burning another permit for the .22 at this time. Maybe AFTER the .45 1911 is safely at home! Thanks for all of the input from all on the forum.

Dumb questin time: my CWL has Charle Bronson's name. Was it THE Bronson?

Thanks, guys. I considered the Chiappa as well but felt the GSG was a bit better put together. I also considered buying a sub-caliber conversion for my existing .45 1911s. They cost just about the same as the GSG and are reported to have difficulty with some frames and ammo. It is still on my list though if for no other reason that it won't burn up one of my pistol purchase permits.

The virus to acquire a 1911 in .22 has struck me! A lot of Internet reading, for whatever that is worth, has driven me toward a GSG (German Sport Guns) 1911 in .22LR. The only thing I can find on the web that people have had issues with is the early versions had a bushing made of some non-ferrous alloy. It seems it is a decent gun for a decent price with the characteristics of a 'real' 1911 and fires inexpensive .22LR. All that said, I have never actually seen nor touched one! Does anyone here own one? I'd appreciate your feedback and, perhaps, a meet so I can at least see one before buying!

I certainly did not anticipate the flood of responses from my original posting. You folks are a great resource - thanks! One point regarding PA carry I have not seen mentioned, although I may have missed it: open or concealed carry in any privately owned venue (land, store, mall, restaurant, home, etc.) is at the sole discretion of the owner or management of the facility. You must comply with their desire whether it be written or verbal. I believe the charge if you fail to comply is defiant trespass. I also haunt the PAOFA forums. As with many contributory sources there is right, wrong and downright inflammatory input. You need to filter fact from fiction and, as always, be aware of some with agendas.

jackdawack is spot on... I did not expect a class discussion around legalities. To be fair, it was not planned but the discussion migrated in that direction. My purpose in posting here was not to lambaste the instructor but, rather, to find out if my aging memory is failing me! I have heard similar misunderstandings from a state sponsored hunting course safety instructor, although not in quite some many subject areas. It is human nature to expand true areas of expertise into related subjects without a thorough understanding. It happens in every field. The individual has helped me quite a bit by improving my shooting capabilities, so I would like to leave it at that. I very much appreciate the responses, PMs and support. It's good to know that not quite all of my gray matter has yet turned to mush!

That is also my understanding, Jon. Don't try it in Philly, a school, courthouse, etc.