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My son and I attended an NRA Basic Pistol Shooting class yesterday, given by an NRA instructor. The discussion wandered into some specifics of NJ and PA Firearms Laws and Regulations. There were several areas that I am fairly certain in which he was providing invalid information. I challenged him on a couple of them but lest the rest slide as he is the instructor and I am the student. He was adamant that he is right and referenced Nappen's book as the source. I do not have Nappen's book but spent quite a bit of time researching the laws and regulations online using the 'official' NJ websites whenever possible. I would appreciate feedback from others and, where possible, cite the appropriate law of regulation if known: Listed below are the subjects with his presentation followed by my understanding. 1. [instructor] A person moving from another state who legally purchased firearms (handguns or long guns) prior to relocation to NJ is required to transfer those firearms to himself through an FFL in NJ. [student] No such law or regulation exists. You do not need to register, transfer or complete any paperwork for firearms legally brought into the state. Further, there is no requirement to to register any firearms legally owned prior to the FID and PPP system being put in place. All other laws pertaining to prohibited weapons are still applicable. 2. [instructor] There is a regulation or Law limiting the capacity of any shotgun to no more than three shells. [student] There is no limitation on shell capacity for a pump shotgun. Semi-Automatic shotguns are limited to a five shell capacity. Hunting regulations and laws are not part of the discussion. 3. [instructor] Anyone transporting a handgun (to a range, dealer, gunsmith, etc.) must have in his possession a copy of the handgun purchase permit assigning ownership of the gun ti him. [student] There is no such requirement. A good idea, but not a law or regulation. 4. [instructor] It is not legal for an NJ resident to open carry a handgun in PA. [student] It is legal for anyone to open carry in PA so long as they are legally qualified to posses the handgun. 5. [instructor] An individual with a concealed weapons license from another state (FL as example) cannot open carry a handgun in PA. Possession of a CWL license means that the individual can carry a concealed handgun in PA but not open carry. [student] Open carry as in number four above. Concealed carry OK with a FL CWL, as is open carry. This guy was a good safety and handgun technique instructor; I learned a lot from him. I do, however, have serious reservations about the legal information he presented.

I am about to step off into the deep end of the pool without a life vest...... I THINK that anybody can send a gun to an FFL in another state; it need not be sent by an FFL, just received by one. You can locate an FFL in NYS that will accept the gun from a private individual and then do the NICS check (and whatever else NY may require) and deliver the gun to you. It's sure worth asking the question of your local FFL upstate.

I think I see the cause of the confusion - the OP is in NY State, not NJ. There is no registration required to own a handgun in NJ. A permit to PURCHASE is needed but, since she inherited, she should be good to go. Transferring to you in NY is more complicated. I suspect the guns would have to be shipped to an FFL in NY where you would go through the NICS check and whatever else NY requires. It's a bunch of bureaucratic BS, but there it is.

I have written to all the members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee encouraging them to move S2190 forward as expeditiously as possible. In my view, it presents an improved process for handgun purchasers wishing to buy from a dealer. There is absolutely no impact on anyone else (except perhaps accelerating the paper PP cycle due to fewer requests). The NRA-ILA and some on this forum are apparently opposed for reasons beyond me. It is not an omnibus bill encompassing everything we ever wanted and should not be considered as such. The campaign to expand the rights and freedoms of NJ gun owners must continue. As my sainted old grandma would have said "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face".

You can always pay for the firearm and the seller (not a dealer) would hold it until the PP arrives. I've done that and it works fine for all involved. Trust is, of course, a requirement!

For those like me who are acronym challenged: WTF is an FB page?

There is a great deal of misinformation circulating regarding this bill. I just sent an email to the NRA chastising them for the impression given by the ILA alert. A quick read leads one to believe that the passage of the bill would represent the end of handgun FTF sales. Obviously, this is not true. Handguns would continue to be handled exactly as they are today - using the paper pistol purchase permit process. There is nothing I can find in the bill that I consider a negative. FTF remains unchanged; those who buy from dealers would have an easier process. What's the problem with that? This bill does not remedy all that is wrong with NJ firearms laws, nor was it intended to. Ranting about 2A rights and how much greener the grass is elsewhere has nothing whatsoever to do with this bill. Take the time to read and understand the entire bill so as to understand what is proposed.

Thanks. I guess that won't fly on my Dish Network!

Is channel 12 a local Newark broadcast?

I don't think so. What they seem to be telling him is the old chief had his head wedged, was making up his own rules and the applicant should go back to the PD now that a new (and hopefully more logical) chief is in office.

Is the raw data available anywhere? Say what you will -- if they are lighting up the NJ Extortion Association I am with them.

I did the reverse commute from Ridgefield, CT to Cranford, NJ for a year or so. How do you spell N I G H T M A R E? And, that was almost 35 years ago. The roads are the same but there are a LOT more cars (and idiots) on them. I wish you well

" "Under the Constitution, searches in airports are only for the purpose of protecting the security of airline transportation; they are not general law enforcement stops. And so it wouldn't be permissible for the government to use these trace portal detectors to look for drugs," Stanley said." And what Constitution may that be?

THIS WOULD BE CHANGE I COULD LIVE WITH !! :twisted:

That simply proves I shouldn't be headed for the pool without my swimmies! Signed, A genuine "it's obvious I don't know Jack"

Here I go stepping off into the deep end without my swimmies again: Wouldn't that be a straw purchase?

Para is now located in TN, FL and either NC or SC, I forget which. They were Canadian. Megaman - my apologies :oops:

+1 on Ray Ray's Para Ordnance suggestion. It is hard to beat the price/value of their GI Expert or GI Expert ESP

I bought six boxes of WWB 230 FMJ last week at the Hamburg store. They had lots more on the shelf. I was looking for some Federal American Eagle but could not find any.

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The GOOD news is that if Cabela's has no NJ store we shouldn't have to pay sales tax on shipped items. A bit self-centered I admit, but I would never go to the Meadowlands store anyway.

Works for me! Thanks guys.

I don't want to hijack another's thread so starting a new one here. I understand (or think I do) the NJ law regarding hollow point rounds. I'm legal for my long guns and .45 but I just came to the realization my .22LR ammo is probably illegal since it's hollow point (except for the exceptions as at home, on own property, etc). I don't think I have ever seen anything other than HP in .22LR; some jacketed, but all HP. A quick Google search shows there is some FMJ manufactured, but few and far between. Interesting to note that last year I took the NJ Hunter Safety Course and the Rangers doing the rifle practical testing provided rifles with - you guessed it - .22LR hollow point! Your thoughts?

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