Shane45

Hey I bet you got something tucked away a bit more updates than a Mosin! :shock:

Kal, I wont complain :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I think KISS will be the way to proceed. (Keep It Simple Stupid). I like the idea of run what ya brung because it might just show someone you spent to much, or to little! But MOST OF ALL WE NEED TO KEEP IT FOCUSED ON FUN AND FRIENDS! Not using your own weapon can just as easily become an advantage for some. If I got stuck shooting a 1911, well thats like throwing Brer rabbit into the briar patch. I think we should do a little of both. Line up, ready, shoot. OK now swap with the guy to your left! :twisted: Add the two scores. I do believe we need to keep somewhat apples to apples unless the shooter WANTS to shoot something specific that would possibly be a disadvantage. What I mean is Auto's with Auto's, wheel guns with wheel guns etc etc. Just thinking out loud....

So we need a place. (USNMARS) working on that. We need to come up with stages which means we probably need a group to do this part. We need teams We likley need supplies so we need a fund. Small Im sure. What else?

Exactly the same reasons I bought a 550 again instead of a 650.

#1 Shooting #2 Riding #3 anything else that comes and goes Shooting is the only hobby I have never given up at any time. Im not sure Id call it a hobby but as far as time dedicated to it, my pets take up more than all the others combined.

Pay particuler attention to the comments about correcting errors and caliber changes. http://www.brianenos.com/pages/dillonfaqs.html#550650 ps. I would say that I am extremely mechanically inclined. I went 550, TWICE. Money wasnt the issue. Mechanics wasnt the issue. Experience wasnt the issue. My volumes arent over 5k a month on 1 or 2 calibers so the 650 holds no advantage, only disadvantages.

Unless you are a really high volume reloader and experienced at that, which I take it your not "First time...Reloading" I respectfully suggest you step down to the 550B. If down the road you find you really need the 650, you can get probably about 90% of your money back out of the 550. The 550 is easier to learn on and a little less complicated. Its a little easier to stop in the middle of a process and double check yourself and trust me volume is not an issue. I can easily crank out about 350 45ACP reloading very liesurly in about 1 hour. Shane

Hey I just cycled one of my new rounds about 12 times and it did set back. Probably about 3 to 5 thou but I dont wanna go out to the garage and get the calipers I probably need to check the taper crimp but since I never touched that die I didnt think that would change with an OAL change :?

In diagnosing my issues I found one other issue maybe adding to the overall problem. It puzzled me that the issue was intermittant. And to add to odd it seemed the ammo loaded up fine at home. I could drop the slide and it would feed but when I got to the range for the match it was jam jam jam. I'll get back to this in a second. I just figured it was luck of the draw but in looking at the brass I noticed little dings in the side of the rim(extractor side). So I pulled the slide and watched what was happening when I loaded a mag. What I found was if I just loaded the mag easy, the round stayed in the mag. If I slapped it like a $20 Hook&^#* the round would kick foward nose down. What was happening is that with the Wilson 47D's, the rim of the round was hitting the bottom of the ejector. I relieved the bottom of the ejector so now I can slap it home and not make contact. So my thoughts are when I was loading a mag and feeding at home gently, it worked. Slapping it in at the match causing the tilt and movement foward of the extractor added to my issues. What is interesting is that only SWC exposed these issues. Ball and 3 types of hollow points never had 1 jam. Shane

Keep me posted. And Ill update if my feed ramp work and loading long solves my woes. :doh:

1000Yd shooting IM IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmm. maybe a hair to long? The longest I had seen suggested was 1.265. I just loaded 50 rounds to that spec. Have you tried it a little shorter? Shane

I know you guys have been thinking it so Im saying it, when are we having the NJGF version of Top Shot?

Interesting results!!!!! I made up some dummy rounds trying to figure out what fed more reliably. Long or short. Long load OAL 1.264 Short load OAL 1.208 At least 10 cycles with the long, no jams, no set back at all. On the first drop of the slide, short jammed and set WAAAY back. As in below the mouth! Taper crimp is the same on both! Repeated with OAL of 1.218 and got the EXACT same result! So in your case, what is the OAL of your rounds??? My suspician is they are on the short side and are getting hammered into the case.

Ha! I missed that! Half the rounds half the price LOL

I too am not thrilled with CTD but damn thats a cheap price. So low it makes me wonder whats wrong???

OK heres one with the pistol. I didnt feel like putting on my pistol belt so the mag holder was a bit floppy so it slowed me up just a bit. Also keep in mind I have no mag well on this 1911. 2 rounds on each target, slide lock reload each time, 45 ACP.

200Grn SWC woes must be in the air! I will pull out the caliper and let you know. Just for clarity, I take you to mean you are cycling the ammo through the gun twice and getting setback? Shane

Looks arent decieving. Whats worse is he learned how to let himself out of his cage :shock: Kinda funny when your sitting there and you hear his clicky click claws on the wood floor when he comes looking for you LOL.

P Bob, your comment rang true and made me go look. They are indeed longer than the lead ones I have and the tip diameter is far bigger too! Much more flat to the nose on the plated ones..... interesting! The lead are CP IIRC, the plated is Ranier.

When I say deepened I mean I increased its depth down into the mag well. It was a little short measuring in at around .300 vert depth. My best guess is that the angle was around roughly 29/30 degrees. My gap was actuallly pretty big so I easily maintained the >1/32 gap. I increaded the angle to about 31.5 which moved the top lip foward but still good with the gap to the barrel. The barrel lip is GTG. My analysis of my jams led me to believe that the slightly short feed ramp and angle being a bit to shallow was causing the sharp shoulder of the profo tip to hang on the feed ramp and pop the round out from under the extractor causing the 3 point. Since HP and of course ball dont have that shoulder, I never had the issue. I also found that there are special hybrid mags for this type of ammo that holds onto the round much longer than normal mags to help combat the issue. Prior to my mods SLOW hand cycling revealed the tendancy to pop out from under the extractor when the round would try and do its I beam immitation. After, it stays under the extractor and feeds. I also stopped getting the mid section crease in the brass from where it was being forced over the lip of the ramp. Cant wait to get to the range and see if my corrections worked!

Interesting... I used to shoot the lead version too. A lot in fact! Thats why it was a suprise to me that I was having trouble. I never had issue with those but they were lead like yours and a different weight (152grn). But that was in another pistol that frankly was loose enough to chamber a small child!

Lunker, Yeah the guy I bought them from let me know about some feeding issues AFTER I bought them LOL. He was using them in his Wilson and was having the same 3 point. I think your right that generally there is an OAL problem for this projo but when I couldnt solve it by adjusting OAL thats what led me to believe I might not have paid enough attention to the ramp when I built it. It has fed Triton, Fed H Shock's, Ranger HP's all no issue. Just these damn SWC! But, I cant have a failure. IT MUST WORK!

Do you shoot 200grn SWC's?