Shane45

Odd. Broke for anyone else? Second try?

Believe it or not I have had pretty good luck with Craigslist and Ebay. I do my gunsmithing at my home shop so I don't have to run up to the main shop. I wanted smaller machines and I found an incredible condition 1946 Logan Lathe on EBay. Had to do some driving for that one! But My 1950's Clausing mill came from south jersey. Found that on Craigslist. You have a leg up that I suspect you could easily look at Phase 3 machinery because Im entirely sure you could make a nice rotary phase converter to run it

Sorry Im late to the party. Just got back from a Five Finger Death Punch/Volbeat/HellYeah/Nothing More concert! My ears are still ringing and Im already half deaf. What? TM, thanks bro! I'll have your rifle done by Monday dman, Ill look into the references you listed. Its not my intention to keep an internet volley going but I would like you to point out where I Knock you or your education. In fact its just the opposite. I expect you to see it from an engineering perspective actually. I appreciate your degree. Electrical engineering right? But my experience is very specifically in the mounting solution department. Heavily in the Mil/LE arena. So I have seen much of what works and what fails. But also in the manufacturing side which included teaching myself Autocad, Solidworks, and G code programs to design and manufacture my own mount.

And just for giggles, a group I shot at 100 with a 308 gas gun, 5 rounds. Factory ammo.

dman, Im sorry if you feelings are hurt that Im not a fan of your $44 extruded rail. But you better check the comments as you are now making a claim against my professional abilities. It is interesting to me that instead of providing the math I asked for, you instead chose to attack me. It is a simple matter of difference of opinion and I even conceded that in your case, the risks may be acceptable(even though a broken screw on an African hunt would certainly make my point). For those that are interested, I use a snap on dial torque wrench which is checked against my Seekonk calibration tool. I have broken nothing of a customers or my own. I stand behind my work. Old School, appreciated brother. Shane

THAT would have been good intel to have. I would have went then

This!!!!!!! And the pace being so slow Im droning in 1st gear half the time!

I believe a couple of rails were used. I believe the badger mars and regular rail were used on more recent versions of the rifle. The regular badger rail for the M24 uses 8-40's and is lugged. But I am not an M24 history buff, I always like the M40 better https://www.badgerordnance.com/products/scope-rail-m24-sws-right-hand-zero-cant-issue-item-8-40-screws-2/ Keep in mind, if I recall correctly, the original moa requirement for the M24 was < 1moa How many people here on this board have gas guns that can do better than that!

Sorry Dman, your degree doesn't trump my experience. But since your such an educated man, I wouldn't mind seeing the math on your shear strength because oddly, fastener companies don't seem to supply any shear strength data. Proof loads refer specifically to tensile strength which is not what we are talking about here. There are a lot of factors here. Do you really think your rifle is class 3 threads? So how many threads are actually engaging? How much force in resting on the very last thread which of course is a potential stress riser its self. Lugged rails are better. Receivers tapped for 8x32 are better. They are better because they reduce the likelihood of failure. This may not matter at all to you since if your rifle fails, you pack it up and go home. But on the agency rifles I have witnessed these failure on, prompting said upgrades, it surely matters to maximize operational up time.

Smokin 50, exactly what are you smoking, or drinking? A-Tech, I have looked at a lot of AAR's on OIS's where the BG took hits to the aorta, or heart, and continued to fight.... Not everyone has a psychological stop.

lock tite or not its still relying on the screws. Seen plenty of sheared screws... A hunting zero and a precision rifle zero are usually not considered the same. But hey, if you boys are happy with lugless rails and they work for you, that's all that matters. Pop up some groups when you get a chance to ring her out!

Fit it not the issue. The EGW rail has no lug. So the screws take all the recoil.

A suppressed SBR in 300 BLK is my first acquisition on the list once Im out of Jerseystan.

I love George and EGW, but I am not a fan of their rail.

That's a rough debate right there. Anyone have ANY data on .357 in the last 10 years? Any agency still using it? The one round I do hear about from OIS discussion standing a little taller than all others IS the .45 HST.

As in .454 and they are all in a line?

Some things to consider: Is shot placement not discussed because its a self apparent given? Is caliber selection consideration in a rank and file role beyond its actual effectiveness? (in this case the report implies that is the case in consideration to the lowest common denominator individuals) What consideration should be given toward incapacitation vs lethality? They aren't mutual. You can lethaly shoot someone and watch them continue to approach you and take your life even though their wounds were lethal, just not instantly lethal. Who do we listen to for advice as these other factors such as lowest common denominator do not apply to me? How many threats do you want to be able to address at a time, are you carrying a 6 round 4" 357 revolver which could be considered a 1 bad guy gun, a 1911 with 8 rounds, a 2 bad guy gun or a glock 17, multiple bg gun?

I cant follow you around all the time! As bhunted pointed out, what criteria are you after, pretty, or effective? I am well aware of the process. I helped pioneer its use on firearms way back in the day when I worked with Darrell Lewis back in the "Bodycoat - Diamond Black" days when the 1911 class I formed used it on all the pistols in the class. Circa 2001/2002 ish time frame. How the DLC process is applied makes all the difference in the world. But I have found that to be true of most finishes out there. But from a durability and longevity perspective, done correctly, ionbond is tough to do better than. Sure Cerakote is pretty... until its not. It can and does chip and wear and has no inherent lubricity. Cerakote does hold one distinct advantage but there is not much point in going into that as I don't believe its available to civilians.

Sgt, I think we are fully in agreement. I think the key here is we agree on informed decisions on individual acceptable levels of risk. I have concerns about pbkids position and implore him to make sure he gives complete information to those he advises on this particular comp. Regards, Shane

Which is why I asked the question as to what information he was basing his info on. Mine is based on talking to LE INCLUDING those at the NJ state police FIU...

It is a letter from a federal agency charged with the laws of firearms after all... Again, the issue is in the description of a brake over a flash hider to LE. A brake is described to them as having a hole slightly larger than the bullet diameter. Not being circular could lead someone to the wrong conclusion. Keep in mind I don't care what anyone chooses for themselves, hopefully from an informed position, but when you advise others, what if it turns out to be bad advice?

The PWS comps have a leg to stand on because they received a letter from the ATF stating its not a flash hider. The BCM came out post the ATF ending this practice.

pbkid, again your missing the point. The point is not which characteristics you are looking for in a comp. Some offer more muzzle rise and less recoil, some more recoil but less muzzle rise, some are more effective and more side blasty, some less blasty but less effective. The point is you could easily find one that works the same or possibly better with non of the potential risk associated with the BCM.

Voice of dissention here. There is no way a spray and bake is superior to a metallurgical process. I mean I like cerakote, but it does not compare to ionbond in terms of durability and longevity.

I want an oompa loompa now! Do everyone a favor pbkid, just direct anyone you advise to this thread so they can make an informed decision. Me, I will continue to be wary of the state I review case after case of people being arrested erroneously like the mom arrested for airsoft guns locked in the trunk of her car on her way home from playing airsolft with her son but without a handgun permit, or people arrested for paintball guns, or the ones arrested for legally owned guns.....