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They are like owning a Desert Eagle 50, its more or less a bragging thing so get whatever blows your skirt up. If you really want something that is useful, the 338lm makes a ton more sense. Edited to add context matters. So if you want to get in to the big bore precision game, consider what it really takes in terms of practice, travel and consumables. It is not for the faint of wallet!!! But if you truly need to put lots of energy down range accurately, a precision .50 is certainly capable. But consider that a .338 covers a healthy portion of what a .50 does in a MUCH more handleable package.

Just to break it down a bit further, SPR's were a secondary role for a rifelman should the need arise for somewhat better accuracy requirements in combat. But not a sniper role. Then it seems you have the DMR rifle which is a step up the ladder filling the gap above the SPR rifle and below the dedicated sniper. IMO the DMR steps out of the 5.56 caliber but not exclusively.

IIRC some have had reset issues when not using the pins suplied with the trigger.

"I am anti-Facebook and believe it is a social CANCER" I absolutely believe this to be true!!!! I have seen so many family and friend clashes over facebook, workplace issues, misuse etc etc. Yet all of them keep asking me to join and look at me perplexed when I say not no but F NO!

Pehaps I misunderstood your post regarding your project. I took you to mean you were leading a project, not a participant. If that is the case, I appologise for my misconception. It sounds like the project leader was "not the guy". On point 2, definitly, no farm needed. I can tell you that these two topics SPECIFICALLY have been covered years ago. Looks to me that it is his polite way of acknowledging you. But when you get up in front of all those people, its not always easy to remember your speach. But there is not a lot of value debating point by point. Ultimately, however, all this public derision and fanning of the flames will not be good for anything.

IMO heavier barrels are a hallmark of an SPR because it aids in retaining accuracy when sustained accurate fire is needed.

Millsan, your post is the poster child of what I'm talking about. If you need your hand held to lead your project, your not the guy! Plain and simple. I absolutely, without a doubt, will bet the farm on the fact that every idea you gave has been given 20 times over at a minimum. It startles me how easy people must think these endeavors are. I fully admit I am not up to speed on any current NJ2AS internal activity as I took a leave of abscence about a year ago. ANd I have no clue what the current nonsence is about. But as a founding board member, I obviously still carry the torch. But some of you seem to be dying to fan the flames like a bunch of kids sitting on the sidelines yelling fight, fight, fight to egg on the two kids in the center that may never have fought at all. Its pathetic! Do any of you realise that Anthony is/was PART OF THE NJ2AS leadership? As in a member of the board? Trust me all these people have each others cell on speed dial. So in my humble opinion, intervention is not needed by anyone outside the circle. Frankly you should all just leave them alone and let people cool off!

Facebook: The evil technology placed in the hands of older people that will inevitably end up in a made for tv soap opera drama because they simply dont get the nuance!

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Wojo, as you know you have my full respect and I count you as one of the "switched on" people I interact with. So I am not saying at all your position it without merrit. I have been inactive so I dont have a first hand view of whats going on. But I think I have enough first hand experience to, at least, post some thoughts for consideration. Ultimately, no one is perfect. And if Frank is indeed blowing up, I have seen enough of what goes on first hand, that I understand. I am willing to overlook the "extra" passion for the greater good that comes of his work. And simply, no one else is willing to do it! In the end, its not a company its a group of volunteers. And in that capacity I accept that the pursuit of perfect is not a reality and we have to accept good enough. Look at how frustrating some people can be on this very forum in general with their wacky positions and stupid statements. Amplify that by 10,000 and thats what its like being at the table of NJ2AS with so much coming at you from EVERY direction. Hopefully some day NJ2AS will reach a matuirity level where it runs like a well oiled machine. Its not there yet. But I have to wonder if any volunteer org can get there in NJ because there is a personality trait I have come to observe in NJ's population. That is the odd position of people to think its ok to jump in and claim ownership of an existing organisation even if they were not part of its inception. There seems to be an odd sense of entitlement here. I have observed this in all facets here in NJ including business. I suspect its because very few around here have the drive to actually go out and start their own thing be it a company or a movement. I cant tell you how many times people want to be a partner with me in a business I have started without being in that business or really even having anything to bring to the table. They see the momentum and want to hitch their trailer up and then wrestle to make it thier own. They have all these "ideas" on how I should run my business and that should entitle them to be my partner. When I tell them instead of poker night, bowling night, and drinking night maybe they should try those ideas and start their own company instead, it's "oh my job at wallmart or pumping gas is very taxing and I need that time off to relax". RIGHT! And or of course when I grow tired of explaining why their ideas dont work in biz the butt hurt comes out and so you just get tired and start just saying no thanks. Very odd behaviour that I dont see too much outside NJ/NY. Everyone has an idea, and they think that is enough, someone else should do the work.

Mipa, PA doesnt have "battered wife" syndrome...

Yet no hats are landing in the ring.............

....there is a board. But if I'm not mistaken, Frank IS the only one doing the heavy lifting full time. Again, it is a volunteer org. So what can be done, is. Its not perfect. But that is the achilies heal, having to pick and choose what can be achieved with limited rescources is the order of the day. And when everyones pet project gets overlooked, is there understanding for the sitrep? Or monday morning quarterbacks pointing fingers?

I'm not here to defend or take sides but to evoke some thoughts and considerations. I would say, A-Tech, that its simply time management. When your giving your time for free, you certainly dont want to spend it wrapped up with BS.

Thats a retarded comment....

I think the point many of you are missing, is that their is no shortage of ideas. A sea of ideas are subitted all day, every day. But fragile egos apparently are easily fractured if the submitted idea is not shown the front stage. It simply doesnt work that way. People are needed to push forward the implimentation of any idea. So only so many irons can be in the fire at one time. And I am sure nothing has changed, but ideas are not decided upon by Frank alone. The board makes these decisions based on the merrits of the idea, the feasability, the people available to support the action, and communication with other organisations on what they have cooking and how far ahead of us they may be which may make it a moot point for us to engage. Based ENTIRELY on Ryan's synopsis, it sounds to me like fragile egos due to a lack of idea adoption caused an escalation and a fracturing, which is truly dissappointing. I do not understand those that get all butt hurt if their ideas are not adopted. You are fully free to go out and start your very own movement just like we did....

A couple of points to ponder from a currently inactive founding board member: The cost of Frank's position to him is extensive in term of time and effort at the sacrafice of all the time he COULD be spending with his grandchildren and family in his retirement years. If Frank indeed steps down, who will fill the workload void? Even when I was active, the riegns to step up and take charge were always available for anyone that thought they could do better!!! NO ONE stepped up because when your actually there, it is chrystal clear how heavy is the burdan of the crown. No one else IN THE KNOW could/would accept the responsibility knowing the personal expence at hand. I dont know many in a position to work a FULL TIME JOB for FREE measured in YEARS!!!! How disheartening is it to pay that personal expence and constantly hear from the sideline know it alls who really have no clue what going on, but wont waste a second thinking about what they are saying before they jump on places like here and run their mouths like they know something. I mean really, look at what happens everytime NJ2AS is mentioned here on the forum. People come running to run their mouths about the thing they heard from a friend of a friend years ago about NJ2AS this and NJ2AS that every time they come up. Its an additional insult of course that its incorrect. But they come running just the same. Maybe its guilt that they didnt get off their ass and do something themselves, I dont know, but it wears on a person I'm sure.

IIRC when a department is made aware they are operating outside the law, they can actually be held accountable for continuing to do so with real and significant penalties.

But under this administration their might be a first time

NJKen, if you can get big anvils, check with me first, I might buy them from you! I need a heavy op anvil.

"I challenge anyone..." certainly sounds like you believe its being disputed. Using your sights matters too, but its not really relevent. You may find the difference marginal, I do not. But my units of measure may differ quite a bit from yours.

"I challenge anyone to demonstratively prove that trigger control and control of the forearm are less important than marginal benefit of various brakes." Bro, your starting to manufacture arguments....I didnt see anyone say technique doesnt matter. You dont decide to throw your shooting technique into the wind because you have a brake on your rifle.......

It depends on what you are after in a brake. Some brakes favor reducing felt recoil, others favor reducing muzzle rise. When people talk about how the 5.56 doesnt recoil much arent considering the muzzle rise part of the equation IMO. I tend to favor brakes that favor reducing muzzle rise. In my opinion they indeed make a difference. The proof is on the paper. Do a hammer on a target with a rifle with no brake, then do it again with one that is equiped with a quality brake. Measure the distance between the two rounds. Move back and do it again. The results are measurable. All movement translates to moving the POI off target. The further away, the further off. I see a value in fast accurate follow up shots.

In the case of military engagement, the 45 actually makes more sense in some applications because all they have going for them is diameter in a FMJ world.

IMO the folder is not needed if the barrel is shorter. But if your in the 26" barrel catagory in becomes a "real nice to have".