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The pertinant question is how hot they got. Did the stocks char, edge burn, burn completely off?

In my non lawyer opinion, yes. In my view it is nothing more than a hunk of metal that the ATF has deemed not a firearm.

Keep in mind that NJ is a vindictive b!tch! Do you really want to risk being the "test" case? It may be legal to run across the border but Im betting NJ will make you pay dearly to prove it if it ever became an issue.

I realise broad generalizations are a slippery slope. I concede that not all hunters are Fudds and even that not all Fudds may feel the same. BUT, I can not ignore the number of Fudds that sound like full fledge members of Gun Control Inc! When I watched the public hearings, it was suprising to see how many "Fudds" got up there and held the same exact view as the anti's. This weekend I had yet another Fudd tell me how "there is no need for 30 round clips to hunt". "Only the police and military should have black rifles" etc etc. By the end of the conversation, I may have not changed his mind but i could see I got his gears turning at least. But Im sure that fog of logic will fade quickly and he will return to his former postion after he remembers how to ignore logic and reason. But the continued rhetoric I see out of the Fudds and these personal interactions are truly leading me to believe that the Fudds or a group within that discription, may indeed be the enemy! Why is this group a danger to us? I believe they are a danger because the anti gun media holds them up and says things like "see even the average gun owner feels this is the right thing". We need a strategy to deal with this devide. I hate to say it but I dont think reaching out and preaching to this group is not the answer.

New Jersey Statute 2C:39 2C:39-1. Definitions. The following definitions apply to this chapter and to chapter 58: ………………………………………………………………… j. "Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks and other nonmetal parts of firearms. The term does not include a person who repairs existing firearms or receives new and used raw materials or parts solely for the repair of existing firearms. ........................................................ 2C:39-9. Manufacture, Transport, Disposition and Defacement of Weapons and Dangerous Instruments and Appliances. a. Machine guns. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any machine gun without being registered or licensed to do so as provided in chapter 58 is guilty of a crime of the third degree. b.Sawed-off shotguns. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any sawed-off shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree. c.Firearm silencers. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any firearm silencer is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. d.Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings, or in the case of firearms if he is not licensed or registered to do so as provided in chapter 58, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon or other device which projects, releases or emits tear gas or other substances intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or permanent injury through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air, which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel or the device is for the purpose of personal self-defense, is pocket-sized and contains not more than three-quarters of an ounce of chemical substance not ordinarily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury, or other than to be used by any person permitted to possess such weapon or device under the provisions of subsection d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5, which is intended for use by financial and other business institutions as part of an integrated security system, placed at fixed locations, for the protection of money and property, by the duly authorized personnel of those institutions, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. e.Defaced firearms. Any person who defaces any firearm is guilty of a crime of the third degree. Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of or conceals a defaced firearm, except an antique firearm or an antique handgun, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. f. (1) Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells, or disposes of any bullet, which is primarily designed for use in a handgun, and which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor and which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. (2) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent a licensed collector of ammunition as defined in paragraph (2) of subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-3 from transporting the bullets defined in paragraph (1) of this subsection from (a) any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer's place of business to the collector's dwelling, premises, or other land owned or possessed by him, or (b) to or from the collector's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him to any gun show for the purposes of display, sale, trade, or transfer between collectors, or © to or from the collector's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him to any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice; provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent of the State Police and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent, and provided further that the ammunition being transported shall be carried not loaded in any firearm and contained in a closed and fastened case, gun box, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances. g.Assault firearms. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of an assault firearm without being registered or licensed to do so pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-1 et seq. is guilty of a crime of the third degree. h.Large capacity ammunition magazines. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of a large capacity ammunition magazine which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Amended 1979, c.179, s.7; 1980, c.108; 1981, c.480, s.2; 1983, c.58, s.2; 1987, c.228, s.3; 1990, c.32, s.3; 1999, c.233, s.3.

You need more than a machine shop. You need a machine shop that is a Type 7 FFL. The issue of if you, as an individual, can finish an 80% lower is a different issue. It has nothing to do with paying a business to do the work. That falls under manufacturing which of course is federally regulated. But the fact of the matter is, if they are a type 7 ffl and geared up to machine ar lowers, I guaruntee you they are quite busy right now. And if they arent geared up for it, you will likely rethink your strategy when you find out hw much they will charge for your project. I am sure you could obtain a completed lower on GB and still come in under the machining bill.

BLF, you cant apply the NJ/NY mindset to the rest of the country. Here kids are curious because its that rare thing that is locked away hush hush like its a top secret document or something. Out there the curiosity is not the same becaue they dont make the mistake of creating curiosity like is so often done here. Leave your sh!t out in those parts and a kid there is likely to clear it for you, hand it back to you and ask you if your from Jersey!

Agreed!

F NEW JERSEY!

India, black history month,and now a Jazz session. This is really what we pay these people to do??????

Welcome to being ruled instead of represented.

Unfortunatly njJoniGuy, we all feel the bruise of a missed opportunity to continue bring to light the political figure that "Likes" violence is heading the charge on removing our rights

Flat MSH's look good, standard ones feelgood Digging that decimal gun Bullzeye!!!!!!!

So yesturday on 101.5 they were talking about Mainor and his FB likes of Big Booty Freaks and You got knocked the f(&* out. No one was making the connection of why its an issue and no one was calling in! I was driving out to philly and said oh what the hell Ill try. So to my suprise I got through. I figured I would lead in with the reason its a problem is you have the chair of Law and Public Safety "liking" videos of acts of violence. And go from there. They announced my name on the air and were about to pick me up and BAM Chris Christie called in and I got dumped DAMNIT!

Im fairly aware what part of the country we are in. But most people live in America and think like Americans...... Hell it wasnt until that priest got arrested in NYC on his way to a ceramony that I became aware a knife was a giant issue in that fucktardian city! Ive been carrying my emerson into the city for years! Never gave it a thought.

Ever been to Arizona? Texas? Utah? Vermont? South Dakota? etc etc etc. In other parts of the country its simply no big deal, And while I agree you should know where you sh!t is, I can see how people from these areas can make the mistake.This was the point I was making. I was in AZ about 3 weeks ago on business. Many of the people I met there had a pistol stuffed in just about every orriface that a pistol could be stuffed! Carry, glove box, couch arm pocket, top shelf, etc etc etc. Not only can you buy a pistol there and walk out with it, you can conceal it and walk out WITHOUT a CCW!!! It is a consitutional carry state!

For those all saying no excuse, consider that ouside of nj, ny, etc etc guns are viewed like a hammer or saw. If you had a collection of hammers and saws it would be easy to lose track. This was just about everyone i met in az 3 weeks ago! They had pistols practically everywhere!!! It was simply no big deal there. You only see it as a big deal here because the gun culture is so underground here by comparison.

Yep same. Interesting...

What did you do to try and replicate the issue?

One caution about the FNS, I have not heard if FN has solved the issue with the slide locking up on malfunction drills yet.

Just to add a little clarity to my statements, I do not worry about the trigger in terms of control. After all Im a 1911 guy But I do shoot some combat oriented matches and combat oriented train ups and I do have concerns for the PPQ in this type of environment. I worry about doing an eyes on danger area re holster to go hands on and catching that trigger on a buckle or gear.

Well.... I havent tried it myself but yes I have read a number of successfull conversions. However, C&L is my prefered mode so I doubt I will be doing it.

HE covered it well.My only adder is dont go above 5.56 if your weapons mounting a PVS14. You run the risk of killing your tube.

I went P30S. I liked the PPQ a lot but that trigger is too light to not have an external safety. I also didnt care for the mag release. It feels like Id break it. With the P30S I have the ability to go C&L or hammer down safty on, or hammer down, safty off, or the option to swap to LEM.

If I was dropping coin in that catagory it would be a Ned Christiansen, C.T. Brian,or perhaps a Chuck Rogers ground up build.