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Then there is your answer. Unfortunately, we are increasingly seeing a lot of very, very bad people along the NE seaboard. You meet a couple of these guys with guns and kiss your a** goodbye unless you are armed. Maybe even then. Fortunately, murder rates etc. have not really increased that much. But if your number comes up, the chances of meeting determined, dedicated, very bad people has skyrocketed. The self-defense dynamic has changed.

Not only do they go through windshields, and not only have I personally shot them through windshields, but the FBI has conducted scientific tests using them with gell blocks behind the windshields and published the results. The results are that these two rounds do not meet their desired requirements. Generally speaking, they will still F you up if they hit you. I have no doubt 5.56 can ricochet off of winshields at specific ranges or specific angles of incidence or a combination thereof. I've personally never seen it happen. If I knew I was going to have to shoot at cars, I would carry neither round. They are not well suited to that task.

The answer is, "Yes." This happened to a friend of mine. Somebody assaulted him and he pushed the guy HARD. The guy fell and hit his head, but turned out OK. He was charged and convicted in NJ. He never spent a day in jail but the conviction had a potential maximum sentence of greater than 2 years. Under Federal law, he is never allowed to touch a firearm anywhere in the United States again. Unless he gets an expungment from NJ. Skipping over the background, and the "he said she said," which may all play a part, that's what happened. So you bet your a** a fist fight might result in losing all your firearm rights Nation-wide. And possibly forever.

If you don't have a PA LTCF or a license/permit to carry from another state, you will find that vehicle handgun transport laws in PA are nearly identical to NJ vehicle handgun transport laws. Transport in PA as you would in NJ and you will be fine. You can OC without a license in PA, but the vehicle transport laws are almost the same as NJ. You can't transport to your girlfriend’s house or to a mall just because you can OC when you get there. And you can't go to a range and then go to a girlfriend's house or the mall. Just go to the range or get a Florida etc. permit to be covered for unlimited transport. The remainder of my response is not directed to the OP, just to people that think they can skirt the fringes of the law. Because I've heard about people putting these arguments together over and over again. FOPA has nothing to do with handgun transport between NJ and PA. It only applies to intervening states. While in either state (origin and destination) you must be transporting for a legal and justifiable reason under the law of the state you are snagged in by the cops. Some will say this is incorrect. Some will say any time you plan to cross a state line you can transport a handgun at will. There is always the possibility that these people are correct. It is also legal to shoot people in self-defense in public areas. Expect that magnitude of legal nightmare plus having to appeal to federal courts on top of it if you hang your hat on FOPA for simply crossing a state line when you are illegally transporting in one or both states of origin and destination. Always remember the first two questions asked by LEO: 1. Do you know why I pulled you over? 2. Where are you headed? If you answer “A gun range in PA” to the second question then whatever happens, happens. If you answer “I’m going to see my mom” to the second question then if the cop determines you have a handgun you will be going to jail with no defense. If you refuse to answer, then you’ll probably get off in the end, but who knows. And I hope you don’t have any plans for the weekend. Which answer will you choose?

I'm not going to do well this year. I just want to buy a middy upper for one of my ARs and a new BUG. I might pick up a polestick. I do plan to pick up two silencers if that counts. I want one for my G19 and one for my G19 Advantage Arms .22 kit with the threaded barrel. It's funny I already have silencers in those two calibers but neither can be made to work with the Glock. If I have a VERY good year I will pick up some sort of 1911.

I believe they specifically mentioned he had no grounds for the case because he never applied for the permit.

For some of you younger guys, MD has been notorious for over 30 years. Perhaps longer. A few years ago I drove back one very early morning from MD keeping it between 110 and 130 mph. (BTW I don't do that anymore) One of those, "Yeah, it was great, I gotta get home" nights. I came around a tight counterclockwise curve and there was an MD trooper at the apex using laser. I probably passed within 30 feet of the dude. I was at 110 at that instant. I believe I was so close to him, and the angular velocity was so great due to the curve and my speed, that he couldn't get a bead on me before I was gone. I don't remember exactly what I did, I would guess I pulled off at the next exit. And if that was the case, he should have anticipated that. But I never heard about it again. He was outside his car by the side of the road. Holding it up and aiming at traffic. But I doubt I gave him a shot at a sight picture due to the geometry.

Can somebody PM me the time for the meet? BTW, Firing Line range in Whitehall opens at 1200. It's a couple miles straight shot off of Route 22 near Allentown. If I make it to the meet I'll probably join you guys for a shoot at FL and bring a few toys. They allow FA, but no rifle rounds. They do not rent FA.

I bought one like that and it went all over the place on FA .22. Mine is worthless. On the other hand, I bought the NCStar that looks sorta like a C-More Railway but shorter. Nice and cheap and light. Holds perfect zero on a 9mm SMG in FA. Even when banged around. Then it died after about 4 months. Couldn't pass it up, bought another one. I just love that little sight for blasting. Died after 3 months. Took it COMPLETELY apart (has to be separated into each component to do this), tightened the screws under the top-mounted dial, and it's been working for a year. Going to get around to fixing the first one. Want to put it on my .22 M16 upper. I transplant the aimpoint on there, and the windage is good, but the elevation is off. Fine for spraying stuff, but makes it hard to hit little swinging targets/golfballs at 25-50 yards. So I'm going to put that little NCStar on there and dial it in for keeps.

That's good to know, thanks! Personally, I'd just avoid places with such ordinances. They are very few in PA and no reason to be there if they are such shitbags.

We will welcome you with open arms. Do us a favor and blow the bridge after you cross it.

There are a scant number of places in PA where you can't even OWN a paintball gun, BB gun, or slingshot. Fortunately, municipalities and counties can't control real guns. But, if you moved to PA and found out you couldn't own a BB gun, wouldn't that be some ****?

The only thing M855 excels at is putting a hole in a helmet at 600 meters (?) or so. Which was the spec it was designed for. Plain old M193 is better against people. M855 will go through cars and windshields (so will M193) but it does a mediocre job when it gets there. Off the shelf BSPs are better on cars, windshields, and even steel. Heck, M193 penetrates more steel at some ranges.

When you put firearms rights aside, Christie is a "hero" only on a political basis or to people that have hope for NJ. He's done very little for the fiscal situation while pissing off a huge amount of people. Now, I don't mind that he pissed those people off. But he hasn't really accomplished much. He cut a billion or two off the budget, which is a pebble on Mount Everest. Even if that was real, but he's playing the same games Corzine was. He's deferred funding the State's commitments. And playing games with the budget numbers. That is my take on it, and I'm not going to argue about published budget numbers of 30 or 40 billion. He has not really done much. I guess it's a change in direction, which is good. If it's a means to an end, we'll know by June. After the 2nd budget is passed and has been implemented.

Bob, Great story! Now that they are initiated, post a range trip at PAFOA next time you head to Classic. A half dozen people will probably show up with some interesting stuff. As people have said above, and to push it even further, I find 1911 easier and smoother to shoot than even 9mm. If I had to put 7 rounds exactly where I wanted them to go very quickly then 1911 or a .22 would be my choices.

WOW. Just WOW. Thanks. I lived there for 2 decades in aggregate. This doesn't sound like any problem that couldn't be solved with half a dozen neutron bombs. Sorry, but once you live in the US for a while, we sorta consider you guys a bit of a tumor

He's more of an acquaintance, I don't know him well on a personal basis. You didn't actually post anything that says it's not lawful to open carry to your neighbor's house on foot, BTW. I don't know NJ laws very well. Let me see if I can get him to drop by. I'd be surprised if he is not a member here already.

I skimmed this thread twice and I didn't see what time the meet is. I have a reason to pass by there sometimes on weekends with friends. If it's 0700 or so I might drop in. Later, I would have to think about it. Or might hit it on the way back.

I'd probably carry whatever. I usually carry a Glock 19 and an old Colt as a BUG. When I air-travel I usually carry just one gun unless I am going to a shoot. Then I carry a BUG and of course there are other guns/silencers along for the ride.

So it's illegal to open carry a handgun on your property and walk to your neighbor's house? Or walk to a WAWA? I gotta admit that's news to me. I thought the restrictions on transporting handguns had to do with driving somewhere. Can you elaborate? I know a guy in NJ that open carries and has had run-ins with cops off of his property and after they asked him if he had permission to be there they left him alone. He seemed to have reasonable understanding of NJ laws. I certainly don't know him well, only met him a couple times. But he is very well regarded on another forum.

But they got some great food up there. I like Iberian Peninsula and "The Market" (I forget the real name in Portuguese).

Well, I could have said, "The United States," but laws do vary slightly and PA is nearby and I know the laws there better. My point was that I am surprised you want to add so many firearm restrictions to NJ law that are not on the books in NJ. And also that we don't have those proposed anti-gun laws in PA and the sky is not falling. who cares about fat, drunk, asshole cops that can't hit the broadside of a barn...this is a topic about US Citizens. (NOTE to COPS: No ill will, I respect the good guys. And if you don't know what I am talking about, then you are one of the type I mentioned earlier) Citition of law, please. And, if current law does, then why are you proposing it in the first place? They have the right to refuse service if you wear a hat. Why do you want a law specifically for guns? You sound anti-gun to me. Your wish list includes adding additional anti-gun laws that aren't even on the books in NJ. Seems like a very strange wish list. There's no law against it NOW in NJ. But I wouldn't do it myself.

LOL, you guys are funny as **** This is why I love Eagles and Giants fans. We only get this attitude in this part of the world. Oops, I meant "hate" Giant's fans. Don't tell anybody what I said earlier

Fortunately that is not the case in NJ. Nor most of the US. You also cannot open carry on your hip in Texas. Unlike most states. Their gun laws are pretty shitty compared to most states. NJ carry laws are far better than Texas, if you can actually get a Permit to Carry a Handgun. Certainly not true about Alabama. Won't bother to check Georgia. I only go back about 20 years, but I did not my first time nor subsequent times.

VERY good point. I still think you just need to go for "justifiable need," and work from there. Until people carry guns in NJ, nothing will change. Nobody in NJ even realizes that the rest of the country carries guns. It's a foreign concept to them.