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You have to take a hunter safety course to get FID now? Wow, I didn't have to do that. But I got mine many years ago. I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that carrying in a place that gets more than 50% income from alcohol is not legal in NJ? It is LEGAL in NJ right now to carry a handgun in a place that gets more than 50% income from alcohol. Is this something you want changed? I don't know much about Alaska or Vermont carry laws. But every state I have carried in was legal to carry in a bar. PA, WV, AL, FL, and many others. I'v never carried in a state where it was illegal to carry in a bar. Just never ran into that situation. And it is legal in NJ.

We don't have that protection in PA either!!! The laws are almost the same on handguns. The difference is, we can get LTCF (permits) and then it is all a moot point. It's funny how you can have one state with stupid laws and about 40 other states with the same stupid laws yet there can still be a world of difference due to a single exemption.

Purty much.

No license is required to buy a firearm in PA. Not required in PA. No training or reason required in PA. Just $25. No FID in PA. No such thing as CCW in NJ. LTCF in PA can take up to 45 days by law but many counties give in 15 minutes. There is no CCW in NJ, it is Permit to Carry a Handgun. How about this? Remove "justifiable need" from the law. You already have a simple process in place. Once you can actually carry a gun, we can tweek the process. No FID in PA. No need to have one in NJ. Why do you need a license to buy a gun? Why on earth would you want that? Do you realize that you are propsing a requirement that is not currently a part of NJ law? If you have Permit to Carry a Handgun in NJ, there are no such laws as of now. Why would you propose restrictions on the right to defend yourself? Also not currently prohibbitted under NJ law if you have Permit to Carry a Handgun. Why would you add it? If I have to have a drink at a meeting, or decide to have a few drinks with a friend, have I forfeited my right to defend myself? There are no states around here with such a law.

Yeah, it's getting far from the point, let's just drop it. Arguing doesn't help anything. My bad.

It's strange indeed. Without any real research, this is the understanding I have pieced together over the years. The PA LTCF laws refer to firearms of less than 16" barrel (rifled) or shotguns less than 16" barrel. Which mirrors the NFA. Probably not a coincidence. They are considered "firearms" under the definition of this section of law, essentially handguns. Loaded longarms in a car are illegal. I think that comes from a culture of hunting restrictions. But the LTCF law allows carry of SBRs, SBSs, and machineguns under LTCF. Provided machinegun barrel is under 16" rifled or 18" shotgun. All gun laws are strange except for perhaps Vermont and Alaska. Everybody got their **** from the same boilerplate in the 1930s or thereabout and then people complained one way or another and they were changed. Often based on tweeks from neighboring states. Unfortunately I don't have SBRs. Only machineguns. Which I rarely carry loaded in the car due to their value. Working on an SBR right now.

It might be because mine says on the front License to Purchase and Carry Rifles and Shotguns and Ammunition. I'm no expert on NJ gun laws. But last I checked, you can't take long guns anywhere except to the range or hunting unless you have FID. I'd be happy to be corrected to see if I need to update my FID or not. That's a very good point. Removing "justifiable need" from the Permit to Carry a Handgun would be of no use I guess. You could only CARRY A FRIGGEN HANDGUN if that were done. Or have one in your trunk and not go to jail for 7 years. You're right, those two points would make very little difference. Who wants to be able to defend themselves, anyway? BTW, there is no "CCW" in NJ. Just sayin'

It works exactly like that. Remove "justifiable need" and now you have Permit to Carry a Handgun. It is for "pistols," but it's called a PCH. You can already carry rifles with FID. I can't carry loaded rifles in my car in PA. You believe that? Unless they are machineguns or Short Barreled Rifles. Which most people don't have. So, YEAH, pistols would be good. You could defend yourself. Or not get sent to prison for 7 years because one is in your trunk at your home. Good luck! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed but not holding my breath.

I just stopped in and it seems the forum has changed a bit. I can't seem to find my private messages. Last time I was here I stated I was willing to support you guys in efforts to work with legislators. I talked to a few people on here who had the same ideas and we tried to put some stuff together. Not that I am any kind of expert on these things. Well, I bailed. A lot of **** has happened at work and in my life this year. I'm not very good at time management, and things have been crazy. The bottom line? I somehow decided that trying to help you guys out was not on my list of priorities. While I was trying to get my **** together, I dropped commitments I made to a few of you and I have no intention of following up on them. This is a serious issue, because I think I broke my word. I didn't follow-up with anybody because I was always trying to wrangle in some time to get involved. For months. I usually don't get back to people to say nothing. I get back when I have a plan. As previously stated, I really don't have any current intentions of working on legal issues with you guys and gals. And you certainly don't have reason to trust me to deliver were my mind to change. I want to apologize, and that's it.

Let me put it this way. It would look like The Fourth of July. That's how I "really" would do it. *pets loaded MAX-11* (M16 and Betas locked up right now)

For starters, keep the laws the same and just remove "justifiable need" from the NJ Permit to Carry Handgun laws. Very clean and simple. Start there. Then you don't have to worry about vehicle transport laws at all. 44 states are "shall issue" in practice, even though a few of those are officially listed as "may issue."

If you have any NRA training, or any training deemed acceptable, or even a simple DD214 then you can get an Arizona license in just over a week. By mail. They are fast. And it mostly covers the same states as FL. Check yourself for states you are interested in. BUT - FL does not recognize out of state non-resident licenses. So, if you plan to carry in FL, you still need the Florida license.

ALL THE WAY SIR, AIRBORNE

Just got back from La Jolla late last night. I don't broadcast my travels. Have some PMs from ffpcs, give me a day to get my crap together. Thanks!

Damn straight.

Do you carry on the Parkway where he shot himself? They're already banned. I can carry in 50 states. Only about 34 states legally, but I can carry in 50 states. Haven't been pulled over in a few years, and almost decades before that. Never been searched. I live close to NJ. If I was a criminal, I would be using proxies to post on the board and cajoling you guys to meet me at diners in NJ. Or maybe a gun show. Since I know nobody is going to carry a gun, especially law abiding citizens such as yourselves. And, since I know you have guns at home, I could force you to go home and give me your stuff. And your wives and daughters.

Still here. ffps and I are working on this from what I understand.

Pick a week. Week of 7/5 is good for me. Check legislative schedule. We want your reps and assemeblyhomos to be there as possible. But, remember, admin girls are just as important. They are the computers behind the reps, so if we miss the reps, we can still get a lot done. Plus committee reps for the bill. Plus other bills we may be interested in. Do your best, don't spend more than a day on it, but spend a good day on it. This is something you have to do yourself. Once I see what you got, I will get on board and help you fill all the holes and develop a plan. I promise. So don't get overwhelmed. It just that they're not going to listen to me dragging your ass along, and I'm not taking a pogue on a field trip. Don't worry about organizing. That can be an independent goal, but don't tie it to our purpose. The important thing is that you and I are going to go down there and make our purpose known. And, we are going to learn together how to do these things. In NJ, they are not dealing with people like us day to day. We are going to change that. Send me your schedule and ideas via PM. Once we are settled, we can decide whether or not to post on the forum. Sounds complicated? It's not. Check out the situation, let me know what you got, I'll finish it.

Wasn't talking about you. I guess my comment went right over your head. Yup. I took it one way, took it another, responded, then went back to the first impression

Why would we organize and do something about it? That takes work. Bitching about it on the internet is easy! You'd think the gun clubs would at least try and get their thousands of members to sign a petition or have an event or something. Umm... This was my suggestion in this thread: You think that means bitching on the internet? Will you allow me to drive 1.5 hours to accompany you to speak to your reps in Trenton? I'm ready. Or do you want to do it without me? I'm cool either way. Let me know if you want me to come along. If so, we obviously will get in touch first to plan. Pick a date, and PM me. This offer has been on the table since I joined. Or is that "Bitching about it on the internet?"

Lots of good ideas. Like now is the time to organize. Or send emails. Brainstorm. Nobody likes my idea?

Damn right.

PA Pizza? PA pizza sucks. It sucks complete testicles outside of Philly. It doesn't miss the scrotum when it sucks. And it rots. And sucks. That being said, there are a couple places that have decent pizza. Including Whitehall, where Firing Line is located. Near the Eagle arms show. Where me and my friends shoot sometimes. Wink Wink.

12 gauge no good? 12 gauge is preferred.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks they own a gun in NJ and aren't on "a list" is a bit naive IMO. What if you bought them out of state and then moved to NJ? Not that anybody would make such a stupid decision on where to live if they enjoyed or needed firearms.