Jon

IDK about you guys, but we won't take a fraud report for fraud that took place in the jurisdiction, needs to get reported in the jurisdiction you live in.

Well played, sir.

I always recommend revolvers for new female shooters. Where do you live?

Played with it @ SHOT, and it was a fantastic pistol. If it weren't for the mag issue I would be very very interested in adding one to the collection.

OGAM is based off taking possession. You can buy as many pistols as you want online and let them sit at your FFL forever, provided you have that sort of relationship with the FFL.

They're not scratches, they're CHARACTER! Hell you should see how worn the finish is on my USP compact...

No semi-auto shotguns can have a pistol grip, even with a conventional tube mag.

Excellent Eric!

That's really cool!

I try not to think about it.

Check my sig.

That was my intention by firing a control round into it with a published penetration depth, but I can work with 177(I have a beeman air rifle). Can you look up the penetration depth and report back?

You will find proof of this elsewhere on the net, but you need a rifle round fired from a rifle to do this sort of damage. Handguns won't cut it.

You could also step back a bit, and get one of the schweeeeeeeeet SKSs that are in the Marketplace right now, and not even have to leave the state!

My tiny 4'11" wife has a Ruger Speed Six w/ 2 3/4" barrel and LOVES it. If you can get your hands on one, I recommend it.

I want to use a known Home Defense round with a published penetration depth as a control. I'll use whatever penetration we get in the home-made gel and compare that to the published depth. I think we should strive for 10-12" as per FBI penetration requirements(after determining the density of the home-made gel vs legitimate gel)

Absolutely. I think the limit is going to be how much gel we have. The main concern is birdshot/.410 penetration, but whatever gel is leftover we can shoot with whatever. If anyone wants to donate ammo to the cause I would be happy to try it out, assuming we have enough gel left. Also, if anyone has a .410 revolver I'm willing to burn a permit to transfer it, measure how it does, and then transfer it back to you.

I think buying pigs would be very cost-prohibitive, not to mention messy. I'd rather use home-made ballistics gel, or pay for legit gel. My plan is using .45acp or 9mm as a control. This way I could re-use the control brick for one of the tests.

Okay, seems like I should have some help with the project, and I'll use the el-cheapo homemade ballistics gel. Going to hold off on the project until Spring, and will make it into a 2-day project. Give me some ideas on what you want to see shot and I'll make it happen.

I'm thinking a line of jugs, the closest jug has a few layers of denim, or a jacket of some sort. I'll go shopping @ goodwill if need be. Looking for suggestions, and I'll make it happen. Like I said I have the firearms, ammo, and a private range to get it done. You tell me what you want, and I'll do it.

Ugh... Okay, this has gone on long enough. I'm going to do a test at my private range w/ .410 as well as 12ga birdshot. Who wants to donate a jacket to the cause? Also, what do you want the target medium to be? I should be able to get this done in the next week or so. ETA: I can do 20ga as well. I have a .410, 20ga, and 12ga shotgun that I can use for the test. I will not be using a .410 revolver.

Yes. Just double-check with the FFL first.

Does the buyer have a NJ FID? If so the transfer can be done at a NJ FFL. You both walk in, make the transfer, and that's that. If he does not, you can send it to his FFL, assuming his FFL will accept shipments from non-FFL holders.