Im heading to the Pa expo center gun show this weekend in hopes of finding a cheap rifle. Can you guys recommend one to me maybe for $500 or under and what should I look for?

It's going to be very hard, maybe even impossible, to find an AR that even resembles quality for $500 or under. Unless you get one that's very used. If that's your budget, I'd recommend looking into the AK platform. There are even some new AK style rifles that can be had in the $500 price range brand new.

You could also step back a bit, and get one of the schweeeeeeeeet SKSs that are in the Marketplace right now, and not even have to leave the state!

You have a much higher percentage finding NJ legal AR's than you will AK's. I bet you won't find one NJ legal AK.

 

Inexpensive and AR/AK do not go together. Come to think of it, inexpensive and guns do not go together either. Save your money and buy something good.

I would like to recommend a Saiga 7.62x39 or 223. They are wonderful inexpensive guns! Ammo is cheap since you can shoot steel cased wolf out of them without a problem and there are some aftermarket accessories if you would like to mods such as quad rails, scope mounts exc. Personally between the two I would get the 7.62 version but I own the 223 version and its a wonderful gun and is the softest shooting 223 rifles! I have seen both calibers recently for around $300 online and the ammo runs about $6 a pack for 20 rounds.

I bet you won't find one NJ legal AK.

 

what are you talking about..

I would like to recommend a Saiga 7.62x39 or 223. They are wonderful inexpensive guns! Ammo is cheap since you can shoot steel cased wolf out of them without a problem and there are some aftermarket accessories if you would like to mods such as quad rails, scope mounts exc. Personally between the two I would get the 7.62 version but I own the 223 version and its a wonderful gun and is the softest shooting 223 rifles! I have seen both calibers recently for around $300 online and the ammo runs about $6 a pack for 20 rounds.

 

I agree.. but we all know that already..

Is there a certain saiga or sks to look for? Can you make them look like an AK? Whats wrong with something like this:

 

http://www.outdoorsportsusa.com/item/167357_EAA_Rifles_Shotguns_EAA_PAP762_762X39_10RD_16.aspx?&apid=1179&nn=2&oo=1259

I think that the WASR 10 is NJ legal.

Is there a certain saiga or sks to look for? Can you make them look like an AK? Whats wrong with something like this:

 

http://www.outdoorsportsusa.com/item/167357_EAA_Rifles_Shotguns_EAA_PAP762_762X39_10RD_16.aspx?&apid=1179&nn=2&oo=1259

 

Does that stock count as a pistol grip??? Hmmm which evil feature would I get

That shouldn't count as a pistol grip.

what are you talking about..

 

He meant AK by name.

That shouldn't count as a pistol grip.

That's what I was thinking, to bad its not for a lefty, and i can't seem to find a thumb hole stock in lefty

Grab a Wasr 10 then you really dont have to worry about it. Yeah the fit and finish isnt that great and they have a little mag wobble, but I had mine for years and it ran every time without a hiccup.

what are you talking about..

 

I'm talking about that you probably will rarely find a NJ legal AK.

 

Most PA gun shows have AK's that you will have to modify before bringing into the state.

 

Sure, he might find a WASR or two but if he is looking something better than that, he probably won't find one that he will be able to bring back.

OH I get it now. Yeah thats probably a true statement. How many dealers over there look at you like you have a third eye .

I've been to a lot of those oaks shows and I'll tell you right now you have no shot of finding an ar there at $500 or less. Maybe a .22lr ar but thats it.

OH I get it now. Yeah thats probably a true statement. How many dealers over there look at you like you have a third eye .

 

They can usually spot NJ residents fairly quickly lol. You 'look' at pistols because it's not worth sending them to your FFL, you pass on good deals such as $10 for a 30rd AK mag, and you look at things on rifles such as threaded barrels, lugs, etc.

 

I gave up looking for AK's at PA gun shows. It's much easier to click a couple times and order it online and have it sent to JetAgent for modification.

I've been to a lot of those oaks shows and I'll tell you right now you have no shot of finding an ar there at $500 or less. Maybe a .22lr ar but thats it.

 

This, too.

That shouldn't count as a pistol grip.

 

I am going to disagree...

 

NJ does NOT define "thumbhole stock" but they do define pistol grip...

 

"Pistol grip" means a well defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes

conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the firearm to be held and fired

with one hand.

Is there a certain saiga or sks to look for? Can you make them look like an AK? Whats wrong with something like this:

 

http://www.outdoorsp...79&nn=2&oo=1259

 

every person who I know that has ever purchased one of those has gone on to sell it..

 

"can you make them LOOK like AK"?

 

what exactly are you trying to accomplish..

If Im not mistaken, isnt that a pistol grip on the wasr 10? Also, the ones Ive seen come with 30 round clips

If Im not mistaken, isnt that a pistol grip on the wasr 10? Also, the ones Ive seen come with 30 round clips

 

you are completely missing the point..

 

I am saying that grip is a pistol grip.. I am not saying it makes the gun illegal.. the legality of a gun is the same as it always is.. and covered in the NJ gun law section.. there is a sticky you can understand why a gun would be legal or not legal..

 

but again based on you initial inquiry I have to wonder what exactly the purpose of the gun is going to be?

 

ar and ak are pretty different guns..

also.. a clip is not a magazine.. these guns take magazines..

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/29389-nj-law-summary-read-first-nj-gun-law-faqs/

 

 

WHAT FIREARMS ARE LEGAL TO OWN

 

• In NJ you may not own an "assault firearm", an Assault firearm is defined in NJ by either of the following criteria. 1) An "assault firearm" can be any one of the guns listed by NJ. If the firearm is listed by name, it is illegal and you can NOT own it in NJ. 2) An "assault firearm" can also be any firearm that is "substantially identical" to the firearms listed by name. "Substantially identical" is defined by a group of characteristics listed below, if a firearm is "substantially identical" you may not own it.
  (notice that the following information does NOT apply to revolver pistols, or pump shotguns)
  

1) The following is the list of banned firearms which are illegal to own in NJ.

 

Algimec AGM1 type

Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"

Armalite AR-180 type

Australian Automatic Arms SAR

Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms

Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms

Bushmaster Assault Rifle

Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900

CETME G3

Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type

Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series

Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types

Demro TAC-1 carbine type

Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types

FAMAS MAS223 types

FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms

Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns

G3SA type

Galil type

Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1

Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms

M1 carbine type

M14S type

MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms

PJK M-68 carbine type

Plainfield Machine Company Carbine

Ruger K-Mini-14/5 F and Mini-14/5 RF

SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types

SKS with detachable magazine type

Spectre Auto carbine type

Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type

Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types

Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms

USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun

Uzi type semi-automatic firearms

Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms

Weaver Arm Nighthawk;

 

2) If the gun is not listed by name, you have to also be sure the gun is not "substantially identical".

"Substantially identical" is defined in the following way.

 

A semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

 

This means that if it is a semi-automatic rifle and has a detachable magazine it can have ONE of the following features and still be legal, but if it has two or more, then it would not be legal.

 

 

(1) A folding or telescoping stock;

(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(3) A bayonet mount;

(4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;

(5) A grenade launcher

 

Example

1) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip. LEGAL

2) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip AND a flash hider. ILLEGAL

I've been to a lot of those oaks shows and I'll tell you right now you have no shot of finding an ar there at $500 or less. Maybe a .22lr ar but thats it.

 

Thats not what I want to hear! What about the m10-762?

Buy an AR lower receiver for $60-80 bucks online, and have it sent to an FFL for xfer, or get one from a local shop (remember ffl fees when factoring in price comparisons). Then slowly buy the parts you need to build the whole rifle when you have the $$ together. Tons of info out there on how to do it, and its fun. Most likely you will go with a complete upper, that will be the single big ticket item typically from $375 and up. Everything else will be below that with the BCG being the next most expensive single part at around $120ish for a quality one.

also.. a clip is not a magazine.. these guns take magazines..

 

Sorry, you are correct. This is my first rifle and I come to you guys to point me in the right direction, thats all. I just like the looks and feel of the ak and ar and never was interested in them til I shot them. So basically, I CAN have a pistol grip as long as it doesnt have those other things. Cant believe you can have a telescoping stock, thats just dumb!

. Cant believe you can CAN'T have a telescoping stock, thats just dumb!

 

 

get an AR lower and build it..

or

get a NJ legal AK.. or saiga and put in the work...

 

NJ gun laws are lame.. guns in other states are as others pointed out.. very unlikely to be NJ legal..

How about this one: http://www.slickguns.com/product/new-m10-762-ak-47-762x39-rifle-49999