ProShooter

That sure is one sweet ride!

Well no, the information is still true. If someone does it another way and it goes through, so be it. Just like if someone does not do the live fire requirement and it goes through. I'm just the messenger. The statute is pretty clear and when I called to verify, they referred me back to the instructions which state: FINGERPRINT SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS You must submit a complete and legible set of fingerprints either on the FINGERPRINT CARD enclosed with this application package or by ELECTRONIC SCAN. Your fingerprints must be taken at a LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. I specifically asked if a LEO could do them off site and was told no. Because of that, I just refer my students to their local LEA to get the prints.

I just discussed this in another thread. Florida's prints need to be done at the law enforcement agency, as per their statute (and a discussion that I had with them about this exact thing). They cannot be done by someone just because they are a law enforcement officer who happens to be off duty.

That is more than likely the reason, and one that has caused a problem nationwide. Applicants (and instructors) are not reading Florida law 790 as they are instructed to do. They are not picking up on the live fire requirements. Sometimes, someone's app will slip through and they'll be issued a Florida permit. Those instructors out there who knowingly issue certs to be used for Florida and who are not requiring the student to undergo a live fire exercise, are in my opinion fraudulently certifying someone for the permit. When we have a student contact us for a Florida cert, we conduct a 50 round skills demonstration where they must perform a number of safe handling/discharge procedures. We then maintain a copy of that and provide the student with a copy. Its just like the fingerprinting issue. Utah just requires a set of prints and anyone can do them. Florida requires that prints are done at a "law enforcement agency". Key word "agency". I inquired of Florida about whether an off duty "law enforcement officer" could do the prints and they said no, that it must be done at the agency as per their statute. They said the reason was for verification and validity purposes. There's alot of off duty cops doing prints on the side and again, those applications are not being submitted "correctly" in my opinion.

I understand that and I'm familiar with the Florida requirements, which is what caught my attention when I read that someone "had a police stamp." Are you saying the prints were taken by a law enforcement officer off site, and were not done at the police station?

The Glock 23 is, in my opinion the finest concealed carry gun on the market. I cannot even begin to tell you how many of my students have fallen in love with the gun and use it to carry concealed. In the last Utah permit class that I taught, I'd say that about 50% of the students indicated that they gun of choice was a Glock, with the 23 besting the 19 by a slim margin.

Can you explain this further? What do you mean by having the police stamp?

I did miss that, thank you. We're scouting possible classroom/range locations for a class that we're putting together in NJ, hence my question. Thanks!

Can I ask, do you have a range at your facilty for the Florida shooting requirement?

Welcome from a former Bergen Co. resident!

I lived in the Franklin Tpke area of Mahwah. I'm in Va. now. I'd kill for a Kinchley's pizza.

Spent enough time there! downed many a cold one at the Track!

Anyone here live in my old home town?

I think that if they rip the stadium down, they should look for the body if possible.

Thanks everyone!

Thanks guys!

Nope, didn't see it there either. Maybe it closed up? It was somewhere around Midland Park, Glen Rock....somewhere. Had a nice little store and then an indoor shooting range and archery range.

Waldwick Pistol & Rifle Club? Nope, that wasn't it.

Thanks for the welcomes everyone! I don't really know what I said or where it went. I assumed that it was some type of computer glitch. What I said this time was pretty much the same as what I said the first time. My post count accounted for it but I don't know where it is. Computers are funny little boxes, aren't they? Jim

When I was growing up in Mahwah many moons ago, there was a range that I went to quite often in Bergen County. Somewhere around Midland Park, maybe? What was the name of that place?

Thank you! Well, I'll say it again. My name is Jim and I'm the President of a company called Proactive Shooters. We do firearms training and we're based in Richmond, Va. Although I haven't been back in many years, I grew up in Mahwah, NJ and lived there from 1977-97. Our company is expanding our training classes throughout the Northeast. I teach in RI, PA, MD and VA currently but I hope to get back to my roots and do some classes in NJ. I'm a Utah certified instructor and I do the classes for their non-resident permit. I'll be somewhat close to NJ soon as we're planning a class in the Philly area. Anyway, its nice to read some of the NJ stuff here. Makes me feel like I'm home. While I enjoy the gun freedoms and "shall issue"' permit status of VA, I sure do miss the good pizza and White Castle hamburgers at home. Makes my mouth water just thinking about a sack full of WC's. I hope to participate here alot and see what's happening in this great forum.

I thought that I left it here somewhere this morning..... anyone see it?