fishnut

I have a 20g if you want to use it just bring some shells because I don't have any. It's not a youth gun though. I am also probably hit up the 22 range. My brother in law is coming and it's his first time shooting. Your welcome to shoot my 22 AR and marlin lever action over there. Also I'll be in my TJ with the top down and doors off, the way a wrangler should be

Thanks WTF, my hotel is right on the beach so I plan on pounding beers back there whenever I get thirsty but realistically if I plan on doing some early morning fishing (4-7am) I probably wont be drinking all day at the beach, ill fall asleep. Ugh im getting older and I cant hang like I used to any more. Thanks for the heads up though. If I feel the need ill pack a water bottle full of moonshine. that will do the trick

Thanks, yeah I have the handgunlaws.us printed out already as well as all the fish size limits. I know about the gays, my brother and his boy friend are going down there with us LOL. They aren't flames so it does not bother me. I'll probably just do some early morning surf casting, I'm just looming for something to tug on the line. The wife is all excited about crabbing so I guess I'll get a 12 pack and rig up a few hand lines and see how we can do. Worst case scenario I'll catch a buzz at least.

So I will be going to Rehoboth beach for a long weekend this month. I will be staying near the boardwalk. I have never been there before so is there anything that I should not miss while im there. I know about Dogfish Head brewery and will definitely be hitting that up. Any restaurant or bar suggestions? Also anyone know of some good surf fishing, pier fishing, or crabbing spots? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Magnawing- let me know when even if there isn't a shoot ill meet you at Clinton and we can shoot

BLF- I guess you didn't hear rob is back up here for the weekend and he's coming to the shoot

Round valley is hike in camping. Spruce run you can drive up to the camp sights. Of the two I prefer round vally. But that's probably because I grew up about 1.5 miles away from it.

FYI guys there is a sweet hot rod show from 11am to 6pm just a few miles west of the range. The gasket goons NJ hot rod hustle. I will probably swing by after shooting

Just don't lock the keys in it again Lalo

As always I love the pics! I was thinking about hiring a photographer to take some professional pics of my 2 dogs for my wifes birthday or Christmas present. Any interest in doing them howard? Id rather pay a fellow firearms enthusiast than some stranger.

I have a hunting licenses and a thrower.

Nope I work at a school now

yup cool here too. I am the tree hugger that tree huggers hate as I have been a licensed hunter for 20 years and just ate venison for dinner. Nope Animal Control Officers aka bunny cops, dog catchers, pooch patrol ect are not allowed to carry a handgun in NJ I did carry a .22 rifle (all transport laws followed) in the truck but most of the time I would have the police come out and euthanize the animal. I was allowed to carry a "bite stick" though AKA an expandable baton but rarely needed it. Appointed Animal Cruelty Investigators at the moment can not carry in NJ but there is a push to allow them to carry because in NJ cruelty investigators have the authority to arrest people violating the title 4 laws (animal laws) as well as serve warrants. I never felt the need for a gun for protection from the animals anyway. the people I would have to confront though is a different story there were a few times I really felt unsafe without a gun.

It is important to me because I have devoted a large portion of my life to wildlife and I consider my self very knowledgeable about wildlife and animals in general. I find it annoying when normal people who don't have the knowledge that I do tell me im wrong when I know I am right. It seems to me that your somewhat the same in that respect. Maybe its the Italian in me but when people tell me im wrong I feel compelled to prove I am right or learn from my mistake and admit that im wrong. Yes my whole argument was that there are no creditable sightings of the eastern subspecies. I know all about the western subspecies that have been found in the east and about the once captive mountain lions that have made their way into the wild for what ever reason, and have never denied that they exist. I don't really care about cats its just a coincidence that both the threads are about felines. I do however care when animals are needlessly suffering due to people for whatever reason. I don't care if you shoot the cats (that im pretty sure you are making up) that you have claimed you have been feeding (I also don't know the PA domestic animal laws regarding ownership) but if PA allows residents to follow all the AVA guidelines of euthanasia, as long as you follow them to kill the animal quickly and cleanly I have no problem with it. FYI during my classes to be certified as a Animal Cruelty investigator, Collin Cambell the head of the NJ health dept pointed out to us that NJ allows gunshots as an acceptable means of euthanasia (while following the AVA guidelines) but it is not allowed in PA. I know we have gone back and fourth about this before and I can not find any PA laws regarding gunshots as a method of euthanasia for domestic animals one way or another. Because of my former job I have personally euthanized more animals wild and domestic than probably any other person on this forum (unless there is a vet here) and I don't loose any sleep over it because I killed each of those animals quickly, cleanly, and with nothing but respect for the animal and its life that I took. so trying to mess with me by stating you are going to shoot cats dose not bother me if you do it the right way, but if you don't do it right and cause the animal to suffer then in my eyes your the scum of the earth, on the same level as child molesters and I fully believe in karma and you will have to answer for your actions one day even if your not caught by the authority's.

Mipafox- Finally you are correct you have never claimed that the eastern subspecies of mountain lions are in NJ. see I can admit when I am wrong unlike you. You can be done with this idiocy if you want but that just proves my point even more that your wrong and your ego is to big to allow you to admit when your wrong Oh yeah and to be cool like you................*Drops Mic*

fishnut, on 17 Jun 2015 - 6:15 PM, said: I don't know what year the eastern sub species of mountain lion were placed on the endangered list but just a few years ago they were declared extinct. There has not been one creditable sighting of one in a very long time. All the people who claim they sighted one have one thing in common, no one has a picture of one. there are allot of people that claim they have sighted bigfoot and other mythical creatures and all of their pictures turn out to be fakes. The only possibility of a person running into a mountain lion in the northeast is as you said either its a western sub species that has strayed far (this happened in NY and the mountain lion was from North Dakota) or a captive breed animal in a private collection (which did happen in North jersey 10 years ago or so, the carcass was found on the road and it was declawed so it was a captive animal. But the Eastern Sub species is extinct and anyone who claims they sighted one or has a picture of one is full of shit!      Mipafox response There certainly have been credible sightings. You say the proof is there are no credible sightings and no photos, and then you say if somebody has a sighting or a photo they are full of shit. Let's face it, you simply have your mind made up, you're not citing any facts or reason Convoluted and completely conflicting logic is not reason. This also sounds to me like you are claiming that there have been creditable sightings of the eastern subspecies of mountain lions, would you please clarify

Posted 17 June 2015 - 08:56 AM Quote from Mipafox Eastern cougar placed on federal endangered species list of 1973 though last sighting was decades earlier Really? That's certainly not true. There have been sightings. Honestly, there have been sightings by a lot of people I think are reliable and some I know are reliable. I don't know if there are zero "breeding pairs" in Jersey or PA or if there is a small an active population. But I'm convinced it's possible to run into one. Whether it is one roaming from out west (which HAS happened) or whether it escaped from a Mexican Drug Lord That's what makes it interesting IMO. We know some types of cougars have been around, and we know (and THEY know) they have been spotted. This sounds to me like you are claiming that there have been creditable sightings of eastern mountain lions. If im mistaken would you please clarify. By the way A mountain lion from out west roaming over to the east is NOT an eastern subspecies. we are not talking about the western sub species here.

I am a certified Animal control Officer and Animal Cruelty investigator though I left the job in May of this year. I did not speak to anyone about the issue I just enforced the laws of NJ. The health dept that told people to stop feeding feral cats is completely wrong. Like it or not the law is if you feed a stray domestic animal for 3 days or more it is now your property and your responsibility for the rest of its life unless you give ownership to someone else willing to be responsible for the animal. So if a health dept ordered someone to stop feeding cats, the health officer could be charged by the SPCA or an appointed Animal Cruelty Investigator with animal cruelty/ animal abandonment. I have taken several problematic feral cat feeders who stopped feeding or refused to stop feeding but also refused to licenses and vaccinate their animals and I won every time. I am well aware that it is very difficult to rehome/ tame a feral cat that's why I never suggested it. Instead I suggested that the animals that are not friendly or healthy to be humanely euthanized which usually is a chemical injection.

Ok ill spell it out for you in layman's terms. I said that irresponsible people that share the same mentality as you. Meaning people other than you that think it's ok to stop feeding their animal and hope that it will move on to be someone else problem at best or at worst die from. starvation, disease, or injury. If I was accusing you I would have said that Newtonian has added to the feral cat problem in this country but I did not. Is this clear enough for you? If not I Don't really know how to explain it to you so I would suggest starting school over starting with the third grade. As for feral cats personally I hate them, they are a plague on society but I do not wish to see any animal suffer for any reason. So in my opinion as I stated before cat owners should have to follow the same laws as dog owners. Then all feral cats could be legally trapped by animal control, held in a holding facility for the 7 day hold as required by law allowing time for an owner to come forward. After the 7 days if the animal is friendly and healthy it can be adopted out and if it is unfriendly or unhealthy the animal can be humanely euthanized

I have said it twice. I don't really think that's excessive OR silly. I did not share my opinion of the law either I merely stated the law. So how bout your proof that eastern mountian lions live in NJ? You asked me to point out where I asked for the proof when you claimed you know about creditable sightings of them in NJ, so I did and I am still waiting. Your getting as bad as Shawn with making claims you can't prove

No if you don't start feeding the "stray" cat its not yours so your not responsible for it. If your neighbor beats his wife can you get charged with domestic violence? NO. But if you feed any DOMESTIC animal foe 3 days or more by law its yours, now if you stop feeding YOUR cat then yes you are guilty of a criminal offence and an asshole on top of it all. For your question about the deer eating your beans. Is it a new species of deer that you have domesticated by selectively breeding them for many generations? Im guessing not so then it is a WILD deer not domesticated so no its not yours. Im not really sure why your having such a hard time distinguishing between domesticated and wild animals its really pretty easy.

I Never said you caused a feral cat problem I said irresponsible people who have the same mentality as you caused the problems. I don't know you so I cant say weather you contributed to the problem or not. Try reading posts twice so you can comprehend what I said.

^LOL. He could tell stories...................................but he wont

I'll let you know if I can find anyone that can help down that way

cant go wrong with a Mossberg 500 then when you upgrade you can get a 18" barrel for it for a HD gun. not that you cant do that with an 870 but I prefer a 500 for the location of the safety. I don't like safety's next to the trigger guard but that's just a personal preference. Its also pretty fun to go to a fuddy trap range and out shoot guys with trap guns that cost thousands of dollars with a 300 dollar gun LOL